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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by turok »

heinrichhartman wrote: post #259

The most upsetting thing for me is, that YT acts in both legislative and executive functions here. It's one thing to make a rule, to ban "hacking techniques". But there should be an independent party who get's to decide whether a particular video is about "hacking techniques" or not. > Is teaching kids how to use wireshark(1) already hacking? > How about the Chrome dev-console? The current state of things, where: a)…

The issue is that effective free speech is now facilitated by private entities who are not legally beholden to it. The public forum is now privatised and more and more monopolised.

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Post by dgzl »

zouhair wrote: post #260

This is what happens when you have no real public space on the Internet. Corporations will hide under the guise of private property. We really need to redefine the public space on the Internet.

What do you suggest?

If you intend on redefining it in a way that takes away property rights, then I won't support it and neither should you.

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Post by rehasu »

cuillevel3 wrote: post #213
pluma wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefit of YouTube isn't primarily video hosting. The benefit is discoverability and (to a certain extent) community.

It's the same with Github, sure you can host on your own domain, but "search for voctoweb on Github" is so much easier than "oh just go to my homepage at sdkljfsdl.sdf".

If you use google instead of github search you can find it even if it's on a self-hosted gitlab, though. And since both use git as API nobody is stopped from forking from gitlab to github either.

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Post by ekianjo »

vmurthy wrote: post #184
ilaksh wrote: post #108

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There are lots of decentralized alternatives. People just don't use them much yet.

To paraphrase an old joke : "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too empty". What you describe there is the classic problem of Network effects. The limitation is not on the tech side of things. People don't use the decentralized services because either favourite content isn't there. Producers don't post to the decentralized service because the consumers aren't there. Unfortunate reality :-( I really don't want so much po…

The effort involved in pushing videos to one or two more platforms when you already did to one is close to zero. This is how you start while not leaving YouTube yet and making it possible for the alternative to develop progressively.

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Post by mr__y »

sterlind wrote: post #120
StillBored wrote: post #87

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The big thing RMS misses in that article is all the bio-identification that has been happening the last couple years. Dan is going to get caught because the machine takes a picture of him when he logs in with a password instead of the fingerprint reader, cause you know can't have a PC without a camera pointed at the user..

On the upside, that's literally the only scenario where hackers typing on computers wearing balaklavas would actually happen.

Still waiting for a scenario where two persons typing on the same keyboard at the same time as an effective solution will happen. edit: typo

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Post by monocasa »

madmulita wrote: post #264
monocasa wrote: post #244

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It was insecure whether you knew it or not.

So, it's not protected by YT's definition.

Yeah, YouTube's definition is self serving, and breaks apart for many important use cases. Their real definition is "we allow/block whatever makes us look good in the court of public opinion", and to think they have any real definition beyond that is a fallacy.

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Post by axilmar »

I agree with youtube in this case.

Any video that gives an opportunity to malevolent people to do harm must be banned from youtube.

But it must be banned from general purpose video viewing sites only, not from the internet.

Specialized sites should be allowed to host these videos.

Altenatively, youtube must create a new category of videos that are viewable only when the real identity of the viewer is confirmed.

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Post by mr__y »

pizzazzaro wrote: post #65
stcredzero wrote: post #5

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Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform Yahoo's not the place it was in its heyday. Facebook's not the place it was in its heyday. Even Google's not the place it was 10 years ago. I don't think anyone is immune. The best you can do it to make sure the trajectory is positive. Netflix isn't the place it used to be. I think that's positive…

Short of moving hacking tutorials to pornhub, is there anywhere out there more interested in serving our fringe cases?

I'm not sure if using hidden services is considered a viable solution here on HN, but it seems to to me to be the solution. Don't know any video streaming services but I assume that such sites already exist. The main selling point would be relative difficulty to take down a specific video through a legal action. I assume that youtube takedowns are either results of complaints/legal threats that they have received or a preemptive action to avoid such legal problems happening in future, i.e. their legal department assessed that the risk of such motions in future to be likely. On the other hand, considering bandwidth requirements for video streaming deanonymization of such service appears to be relatively easy, hence possibly some service centered around ipfs would be viable.

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Post by 0_gravitas »

kiallmacinnes wrote: post #256
piokoch wrote: post #201

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It is always same story. If a problem concerns someone "well known" who is able to attract attention, than Google, Facebook, etc. are stepping back. If it were some random "amateurish" hacker channel, it would be banned and nobody would give a crap. The problem is that many valuable things started as some "amateurish" stuff put together by some clever guys in a garage.

To play devils advocate.. is this really true? Or do we just only hear about bans/reinstatements from people who are "able to attract attention"?

It is, and it's not just YouTube, I follow alot of "niche" channels, and the distribution of enforcement is comical.
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