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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by baroffoos »

kdbg wrote: post #160
montecarl wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only domain where I have seen this is with commercial scientific software that is designed to be run on supercomputers. This is mostly due to the difficulty of producing high performance binaries that work with the MPI implementation. One interesting implication is that since people can view and modify the source code, patches and modifications to the software are shared. This has always lead me to wonder if a di…

I'm not a lawyer but this reminds me of how game mods are shared for old games. They are shared at patch files to avoid sharing the copyrighted original binary/rom file. My understanding is that use a patch file as long as your patch doesn't include any copyrighted material it is fair to share. A patch file does not necessarily have any of the original code, just the location info and the new value.

This is still how custom themes for the switch are distributed since the menu file is considered copyrighted they distribute a file and a tool you can use to apply the file to the menu file on your system.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

solotronics wrote: post #69
pizzazzaro wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly? Take the mentality you see in the world - the bottom line comes first, the consumer wants easy consumption, security comes first, whatever else - and try to imagine where that comes in conflict with the things you love. What would have caused that conflict? What, if anything, do you see coming out of it? And if you think Stallman was the tinfoil-hat prophet, you gotta hear about this guy Karl Marx. He predi…

I wonder what companies would be good investments to hedge for this possible future.

Amazon. Failing infrastructure that other companies rely upon and expect to function adequately, will not pose the same challenges. They deal with the logistics of delivering items of necessity to people all over the globe at enormous scale. They have their own fleets, their own delivery people, and their own automation approach. In a decade Amazon won't need the post office or UPS. The barriers to entry in taking that on are enormous to the point of near impossibility. Heck, even their ability to sell counterfeit garbage to customers without significant penalty on themselves shows they even know how to disappoint people correctly...

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by PavlovsCat »

brokenmachine wrote: post #158
Avamander wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not happy that today’s society wants to monitor and deter everything. It leaves no room for exploration, growth, mistakes and learning. YouTube isn't even the worst example of this. The digital surveillance in schools really creeps me out the most.

What kind of surveillance goes on in schools nowadays?

recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20342264 "Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20312642 "Schools are using unproven surveillance technology to monitor students"

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by torified »

The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments.

I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating.

I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are.

The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by PavlovsCat »

darkpuma wrote: post #98
scarejunba wrote: post #80

It's inevitable. In Fahrenheit 451, books start getting banned because every person who ever gets offended starts asking for the thing that offended them to go away and people comply. This is what happens to big targets. It's why it's important to preserve the independent host.

That's an ironic book to reference in this context, since the book had such a dim view towards video.

Not just video:

> > "And in her ears the little Seashells, the timble radios tamped tight, and an electronic ocean of sound, of music and talk and music and talk coming in, coming on on the shore of her unsleeping mind."

> So, even as she rests, Mildred is surrounded by noise, by constant entertainment, just like she is during the day with her t.v. walls. Montag's society uses these seashells for two purposes. The first is to control information, and hence, thought and potential rebellion. If they are the ones controlling what information you get, they can tell you whatever they want, giving only one perspective, and painting a rosy picture so that people are never discontented. They also use the shells to relay important information. For example, when Montag escapes at the end, they send a message through all of the seashells for everyone to look out for him, and to turn him in if they see him. They automatically have a huge civilian army at hand, through the use of the seashells. Secondly, if people are constantly "plugged in," they don't have any spare time for their minds to be on their own. If people never have silence, they never think, and so never have the kind of discontented thought that come from meditation.

> Mildred stays "tuned in" so much that she really has no mind of her own. In this sense, she is a perfect citizen of her society. I hope that these thoughts helped; good luck!

from https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/fahrenheit-451-what-tec...

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by roenxi »

jammygit wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

> I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling.

As I cast my eye over the FSF's basic definition of free software [0] I can't spot much of a mystery.

If a user don't have those freedoms, then someone else is in control of their software. It is inevitable that sooner or later the situation will change and the person who does have control the software is going to do disagree with what the user wants to use the software for - and at that point the user is the one with the problem.

Stallman isn't using a genius level of insight, but he is avoiding some very common shortcuts people take where they assume that because people are on 'their side' today that they will remain on 'their side' even if the incentives change. They are then shocked to discover that when the incentives change that nobody was ever actually on 'their side', it was just that the shark swimming placidly alongside wasn't hungry before.

I'm usually with Stallman's theories, it amazes me people keep being surprised that liking someone doesn't mean that the person is immune to the incentive structures that surround them. People have a remarkable and underappreciated capacity to make decisions that are good for them rather than good in the abstract.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

realusername wrote: post #59
no-like-no-sub wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Be sure to hit that like button and subscribe!" When I hear this standard YouTuber meme, I always trip hard over the dislike button and never quite make it to subscribe. :^)

They have to say it because otherwise people don't subscribe. I know some youtubers who never did it hut had to resort to saying it because their subscriber numbers where stagnating otherwise.

But you know... people CAN just be ok with their subscriber numbers stagnating a bit.

Whoring for likes/subscribes is desperate and it cheapens the hell out of your art. It may give you more likes/subscribes but there are other great things that come from artistic creation than the pitifully minimal effort required by the clicking of a button.

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Post by cf498 »

bayareanative wrote: post #125
markdown wrote: post #99

The LockPickingLawyer, even with his 100M views, must be getting worried about this. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ/

Heck, anyone offering insider advice or education in many professions and trades should be worried: medicine, nursing, legal, engineering, aviation, maintenance (automotive, aviation, industrial and many more), physics and more.

Its also nothing new, just look at the problems Cody'sLab had and has.
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