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Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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Re: Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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We worry today about incriminating twitter/FB posts derailing careers. What will happen when people can retrieve your childhood and show that OMG you dissected frogs?

The easy and correct solution is to... not make incriminating posts.

What may be completely normal and morally ok today might be a horrifying abuse of privilege and humanity tomorrow.

Just ask any US Democrat talking about race relations in the 1950s.

Re: Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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Currently trying to decide how to school my kids ages 3yr and 1yr. Public, private or homeschool. Parents who have been there, How did you choose?

if it's an option in your area, i'd recommend looking into a waldorf school. they have a lot of strengths that american public schools lack ime. perhaps one of the most important is that children have the same teacher all the way through k-12. it's hard to overstate what a big difference that makes. as an aside unschooling often gets neglected from the public/private/homeschool dichotomy, for certain personality type…

If you are thinking about a Waldorf school (or any private school, for that matter), make sure to check out the vaccination rates first.

Re: Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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That story is entirely fiction: http://www.throwcase.com/2014/12/21/that-five-monkeys-and-a-...

I don't think the message of the story relies on whether or not scientists actually put a bunch of monkeys in a room or not.

Doesn't the conclusion of the actual experiment contradict the message being conveyed in the comment, though? It certainly does not clearly support it.

Re: Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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Since I can't read the article I can only go with story time here- my wife has cameras in her room and she loves them. Fights about 'who started it' are ended with the words, 'Ok, let's look at the video'. And when some little bully gets called on the carpet and their bullying parent comes in all set to steamroller administration with 'that's not what my child said happened why are you picking on them' the principal…

thanks for the real life anecdote. just like in startups, its helpful to hear from the actual users instead of what some armchair critics feel is happening. however, i do worry about fights and bullying being taken to 'the dark corners of the school' such as the bathroom or some unused stairwell

Yes. Not all bullies are idiots. Some are quite clever. They will torment and provoke their victims just off camera, then move into view of the camera as the victim starts to hit back.

Most people who have had more than one kid, or who have supervised children in any capacity, know that some of them will make a game of setting up the other to get blame for something the first one started.

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> Parents of problem kids do everything they can to push their children’s behavioral issues back on the teachers. Whew. That's a lot of labeling! And the solution is to build evidence to be used against these tiny criminals. Rather than just presume the kids are little shits on purpose and recording them to prove it, why not ask the kid what's going on at home? I'd bet real money that "lack of discipline" maps pretty…

Because the teacher's job should be to teach, not to be a social worker.

This is true, but it's not teachers who made the decision to spend resources on classroom surveillance. That's a call made at the administrative level, be it in the school or the district as a whole--and that's ultimately where the decision of how to approach problematic classroom behavior is being made.

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That story is entirely fiction: http://www.throwcase.com/2014/12/21/that-five-monkeys-and-a-...

I don't think the message of the story relies on whether or not scientists actually put a bunch of monkeys in a room or not.

But they did put a bunch of monkeys in a room, and to opposite effect. Read the link for more info.

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> No one actually watches the video, unless something happens. You must do PR for the NSA.

Or a school has fewer resources than the NSA. And don't think I don't see the potential for abuse, but I see the potential for abuse in basically everything. You have to give organizations the benefit of the doubt the same way you do individuals.

> You have to give organizations the benefit of the doubt the same way you do individuals.

Why? I don't normally like being overly contrarian, but in this case this position is so naive that I just can't think of a good reason to do what you're proposing. Especially in the US (and certain other problematic countries) you really should know better than to trust an organisation with sensitive information.

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Paying for news only rewards paywalls.

What's wrong with that? They work hard to bring you that news. They should be paid.

Journalism started dying with the abolishment of fcc fairness doctrine. The landscape of media today is abysmal, most reporting orgs are thinly masqueraded op-ed machines. They pander to their audience. The truth is what matters, not what people think about it.

If trust can be restored I will pay. I will not pay for bullshit.

Re: Welcome to the K-12 Surveillance State

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It helps the other 29 kids in the class until there are altercations involving 5-7 of those. Then it helps the other 22 kids in the class. What's the endgame? Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Something this whole argument misses is that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. It's a bad id…

> Do you suspend half the kids in the classroom because they're causing a disturbance for the other half? Yes, you do! > that school is a great mechanism to teach kids to interact with each other and learn to solve problems. What kind of utopian school did you go to? None of my schools did this, at _all_.

So because teaching 1on1 conflict resolution has not been done at your school you prefer to have kids monitored and teach them conflicts will be resolved by pleading to a higher all seeing authority which tells you who was naughty and who was nice...mkay.
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