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One reason for the high cost of housing in California is overregulation

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Re: One reason for the high cost of housing in California is overregulation

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"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps on moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan Looks like we're well along that curve for housing in CA.

Yeah, quote the guy who's arguably the most responsible for California's mental health and homelessness problems.

Yes, some guy who was governer 45 years ago is responsible for all of California's problems and not the 40+ years of bad left wing policies that followed it.

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"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps on moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan Looks like we're well along that curve for housing in CA.

California's property tax is less than half of that of Texas, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. Combine that with the fact that CA has prop 13, and one of the highest GDP per capita, and... Does anyone really think it's the regulation that's making prices high?? Sure, they're not helping. But high incomes and low taxes are a recipe for high prices. The only other state with high incomes and this…

I'm glad that you agree that CA taxes and regulates real estate. The consensus is pretty much its the regulation that's doing it. Given the regulatory environment in CA, I would certainly never attempt to build a house there. I personally know people that have and the regulatory costs and delays are just ridiculous.

The next step is obvious. The government must come to the rescue and subsidize housing.

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I personally feel regulation slows down new construction, but doesn't necessarily increase costs. Dilapidated houses still go for large sums, so I suspect land costs to be a major reason as well. Additionally, lack of contractors is becoming an issue(demand increases, costs increases) with many of them working indefinitely over in fire-ravaged areas like Paradise or Santa Rosa.

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This might bite a little harder if you could look in any direction in Los Angeles and not see new construction. The current amount of space occupied by low density housing is something we could improve on but its just that. Occupied! Hopefully all this commercial space rezoned for multi-purpose use (shops on the ground floor, apartments or offices above) will free up some of the low density real-estate but its not ov…

The number of housing starts in Los Angeles right now is basically zero[1]. 30 years ago the pace of home building in LA was three times higher with a population 20% smaller.

1: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LOSA106BPPRIVSA

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"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps on moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan Looks like we're well along that curve for housing in CA.

California's property tax is less than half of that of Texas, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. Combine that with the fact that CA has prop 13, and one of the highest GDP per capita, and... Does anyone really think it's the regulation that's making prices high?? Sure, they're not helping. But high incomes and low taxes are a recipe for high prices. The only other state with high incomes and this…

I think you're missing the causal pathway. High property taxes curb NIMBY behavior by making people want to keep property values from rising, resulting in low housing construction and high functional regulation of housing.

In contrast, low property taxes (and especially Prop 13 which decouples taxes from property values) causes homeowners to focus on building wealth through the appreciation of home values, which encourages NIMBY behavior.

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I personally feel regulation slows down new construction, but doesn't necessarily increase costs. Dilapidated houses still go for large sums, so I suspect land costs to be a major reason as well. Additionally, lack of contractors is becoming an issue(demand increases, costs increases) with many of them working indefinitely over in fire-ravaged areas like Paradise or Santa Rosa.

If you slow down construction, you are inherently making it more expensive.

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Counting words and claiming there are too many isn't very convincing, especially since they admit that "some" of the regulations make sense. Could they maybe identify one regulation that imposes a significant cost burden but doesn't have a clear benefit?

It does seem like a thin op-ed piece for economists from Mercatus Center at GMU.

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I personally feel regulation slows down new construction, but doesn't necessarily increase costs. Dilapidated houses still go for large sums, so I suspect land costs to be a major reason as well. Additionally, lack of contractors is becoming an issue(demand increases, costs increases) with many of them working indefinitely over in fire-ravaged areas like Paradise or Santa Rosa.

Yeah, the question isn't whether stricter building regulations increase costs but by how much. And in the context of the housing crisis, how much does it increase the price of pre-existing housing. The costs are attenuated down market. And the benefits are shifted across time--the expensive single-family home sprinkler system today that seems like overkill is intended to prevent deaths when it becomes a multi-generational, multi-family home 20 years from now. Just like anti-lock breaks and crumple zones increased the price of cars but substantially increased the safety of used cars years later, and much if not most of the premium in costs was borne by the first buyer.

As you say, labor seems like a much more significant factor. And restrictive zoning and NIMBYism even more so. But restrictive zoning is a sensitive topic for conservatives. Conservatives seem to be against regulation except when it's used to preserve the "character" of existing neighborhoods--not to be confused with historic preservation, which is bad restrictive zoning. Direct regulation is a more convenient target, ideologically. Likewise, I often hear conservatives lament the cost of labor but they're walking on glass by suggesting that working-class voters should be paid less.

To be fair, progressives make the same mistake of assuming new housing should be built for the poor and working class. And NIMBYism knows no bounds. Indeed, it was progressive efforts to "empower" communities that opened the doors for NIMBY obstructionism. It's difficult to devise a political mechanism that won't ultimately benefit the rich and powerful more than the poor.

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I personally feel regulation slows down new construction, but doesn't necessarily increase costs. Dilapidated houses still go for large sums, so I suspect land costs to be a major reason as well. Additionally, lack of contractors is becoming an issue(demand increases, costs increases) with many of them working indefinitely over in fire-ravaged areas like Paradise or Santa Rosa.

If construction takes longer, costs increase. This is indisputable.

Imagine you buy a piece of land for $100,000 with the intention of developing it. Until the property is developed and sold, you have numerous carrying costs (taxes, insurance, debt payments, etc.). In California, your annual carrying costs may easily be $8,000-$10,000 per $100,000.

If it takes you one year to develop the property, you need to sell the property for $108,000 just to cover the carrying costs (i.e. this doesn't account for the actual construction costs or selling costs). If it takes you two years to develop the property, you need to sell the property for $116,000 just to cover the carrying costs.

Keep in mind, the time to develop isn't idle time where the developer incurs only carrying costs. It's endless drafts, consultations, and meetings. It requires actual money to be paid not only to the city, county, and state, but to architects and planners and contractors to comply with increasingly byzantine and mercurial requirements. The longer this goes on, the more money a developer has to spend.

The longer a developer is forced to carry the property, the more they need to charge to recoup their investment. Since no one is going to develop property without anticipated profit, this means prices necessarily rise.

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I personally feel regulation slows down new construction, but doesn't necessarily increase costs. Dilapidated houses still go for large sums, so I suspect land costs to be a major reason as well. Additionally, lack of contractors is becoming an issue(demand increases, costs increases) with many of them working indefinitely over in fire-ravaged areas like Paradise or Santa Rosa.

If you slow down construction, you are inherently making it more expensive.

...if there is significant demand. Additionally faster construction can also imply higher costs (more workers needed for single projects to meet deadline, etc).
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