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The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by holbrad »

fwip wrote: post #78
anonuser123456 wrote: post #9

Unpopular hypothesis: Executive function is causally correlated with health and wealth.

Better hypothesis: wealth and health make executive functioning easier.

Why would that be a better hypothesis? It seems likely that for all of these factors the arrow of causality would go in both directions.

Being wealthier allows you to spend more time, money and effort on health (though with diminishing returns). You can spend more time and effort learning

Being healthier, allows you do physically work more both short and long term. There are also cognitive benefits from healthy activities like exercise.

Being born with a high IQ and raised well, lets you potentially make better health choices and being smarter allows greater access to financially beneficial activities.

They are interlinked.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by Guthur »

flahgd wrote: post #62
save_ferris wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of US presidents were white men. White men dominate the Fortune 500, Wall Street, and leadership in the government. The paper also explicitly defined health justice as "a measure of the correlation of health outcomes with income, race/ethnicity and sex; and a sum…

Indians and asians actually earn more than whites on average.

Whoa I didn't realise how insanely true that was.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the...

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by jhayward »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #57
jhayward wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't an actual contribution, it's trolling. Future executive function is highly correlated with high socio-economic status of childhood.

Since it is also herritable, why would that be surprising?

The correlation is environment, not heredity. Twin studies.

Please do not push any further toward the underlying message of white/western supremacy.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by anonuser123456 »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #60
anonuser123456 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of type two diabetes is preventable. That which is not is likely misdiagnosed late onset type 1.

Do you have any sources for that? They are two separate conditions, with two separate causes and severities.

https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/clarifying-lada-type...

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by mempko »

denverkarma wrote: post #29

It’s really hard for me not to be skeptical of a study that starts with the premise of measuring everyone else against “the most privileged group,” aka. white men, and then calling their metric “health justice.” I don’t know the stats off the top of my head but I’ve heard many times that men’s health issues are under-studies relative to women’s — ie breast cancer versus prostate cancer. I’ve also seen that mental hea…

There is no such thing as a root cause. The economy is a dynamic system under a legal framework which governs the way it works. A lot of that legal framework is designed to punish the poor and punish minorities which makes them poor. It's doubly troubling and to tackle inequality requires tackling the legal and social framework our economy exists in which happens to have institutional racism and sexism.

In other words, does racism and gender create the income inequality we see across the board? No, but is getting rid of racism and gender inequality required to diminish income inequality? Yes.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by opnitro »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #90
save_ferris wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of US presidents were white men. White men dominate the Fortune 500, Wall Street, and leadership in the government. The paper also explicitly defined health justice as "a measure of the correlation of health outcomes with income, race/ethnicity and sex; and a sum…

Consider this: Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? I think the point the parent is trying to make is that at any individual's level income and wealth are a far better measure of privilege than race. Yes, wealth is highly correlated with race in the US, a…

Yes, there are white people are poorer than Will Smith. Unfortunately, if we want to do analysis of society at large, we need to look at trends. And leaving race out of class analysis tends to obscure some of the relationships at play. This is because class and our notions of race are forever entangled, not least of all because we are society predicated upon slave labor.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by asark »

Amygaz wrote: post #46
xwdv wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not. Don’t perpetuate this BS. Calorie for calorie and pound for pound healthy foods are far cheaper and more nutritious than whatever crap people are reaching for on supermarket shelves or drive thru windows these days. People have had their sense of taste hyper-stimulated for so long that they have grown a distaste for most “healthy” foods, to their own detriment. If every bite isn’t orgasmically delicio…

Well, pound for pound, and calories for calories, a pound of vegetables is more expensive than a pound of 85/15 beef. And a 2L of Coke is even cheaper (and heavier and calorific)... So, there’s that as a starting point.

> And a 2L of Coke is even cheaper (and heavier and calorific)...

You can buy a 3L of Best Choice Soda with change you found in the parking lot, making it basically free. Coca Cola, what is this, the Hamptons? ;-)

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by save_ferris »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #90
save_ferris wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically speaking, white men are far and away the highest income earners in America. They are literally the most privileged group. Until 2008, 44 of 44 of US presidents were white men. White men dominate the Fortune 500, Wall Street, and leadership in the government. The paper also explicitly defined health justice as "a measure of the correlation of health outcomes with income, race/ethnicity and sex; and a sum…

Consider this: Who do you think is more privileged, with "privileged" meaning access to money, support, opportunities and potential for advancement: Will Smith's kids or a white poor guy who grew up in West Virginia? I think the point the parent is trying to make is that at any individual's level income and wealth are a far better measure of privilege than race. Yes, wealth is highly correlated with race in the US, a…

Doesn't the "most privileged group" moniker applied in the quote that parent chose to argue against do exactly what you suggest: focusing on those who are rich without race?

Parent chose to explicitly label the most privileged group as white men before arguing that white men aren't actually the most privileged group, when they are in most conceivable metrics.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by TheTruth321 »

denverkarma wrote: post #29

It’s really hard for me not to be skeptical of a study that starts with the premise of measuring everyone else against “the most privileged group,” aka. white men, and then calling their metric “health justice.” I don’t know the stats off the top of my head but I’ve heard many times that men’s health issues are under-studies relative to women’s — ie breast cancer versus prostate cancer. I’ve also seen that mental hea…

Quit whining, b!tch.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by jhayward »

holbrad wrote: post #79

EDIT: Apologies for the rant, went a little overboard oh well. For the overwhelming majority of heavy hitting chronic diseases (Diabetes T2, Obesity, Heart Attacks, even likely cancer). They are completely preventable though diet and other lifestyle changes. Good food, grass fed meat, fish and fresh vegetables aren't that expensive people could afford it if they thought it was an actual priority. For those suffering…

> So it's not a lack of time or money for anyone but the absolute poorest, people just don't seem to care that much. I really don't know why ?

I would hazard a guess that neither you, nor anyone you know, is a single parent working multiple minimum-wage jobs to provide for a couple of kids living in rented space, with poor transportation available, no easy access to things like laundry facilities, living in a food desert, with no high socio-economic status people in their personal network.

In short, your privileged experience doesn't even come close to what the bottom 20%-40% of Americans live.

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