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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by peterwwillis »

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

Is YouTube stopping you from buying a camcorder, recording a bit, buying a server, and putting it on the internet? No, they aren't. They're stopping you from doing it on their servers.

It's their product, so they get to choose who can use it and how. You not entitled to tell them what to do with their product. On their platform, they can censor whatever they want.

You don't even pay them any money, and here you are pretending that you have some right to tell them what to do, that this is about your freedom, not theirs.

If this were like, a water, power, telephone, or other utility, you might have some expectation of ability to express free speech on their platform. But YouTube is not an inalienable right.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by zcid »

britch wrote: post #112
jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

I don't think this changes the idea that the slippery slope is a silly argument. Aren't we evaluating these things on their own terms now? It's definitely possible to have a YouTube that is harsh on calls to violence but allows cyber-security instructionals. We're not sliding down the slope just yet. We took a step too low and need to climb back up. edit: I should not have used "we" above, since only Alphabet control…

A slippery slope is only a fallacy if you can't demonstrate a downward slide. Once you can demonstrate that slide, the issue needs to be taken more seriously. I believe that over the last two years, we have seen a dramatic increase in censorship from the most powerful companies in the world. I'm not even sure that our governments have the will or power to stop them at this point.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by homonculus1 »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #160
whatshisface wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.

I'm out of the loop--was he directly inciting action against the parents?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by toss1 »

Now, the editing has progressed from (legitimately) weeding out violent and often clearly illegal material (e.g., child porn), to material that some people find objectionable, in this case corporate sponsors.

They are now unquestionably editing the content on their site. Soon (as mentioned by others), it is likely to be 'how to repair' videos and the like that end up on the proverbial cutting room floor.

It is far past the time for YouTube, FaceBook, etc. to be stripped of their now demonstrably farcical "platform" status and recognized as publishers of content, and reqauired to operate with that set of rights & responsibilities.

It won't solve all problems, partly because this has gone on for far too long, but at least they'll need to take on some responsibility for their decisions. It is obvious why they've worked so mightily for so long to avoid exactly this responsibility.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by britch »

bin0 wrote: post #150
britch wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this changes the idea that the slippery slope is a silly argument. Aren't we evaluating these things on their own terms now? It's definitely possible to have a YouTube that is harsh on calls to violence but allows cyber-security instructionals. We're not sliding down the slope just yet. We took a step too low and need to climb back up. edit: I should not have used "we" above, since only Alphabet control…

> We took a step too low and need to climb back up This is not going to happen; we will keep sliding. We are not the ones doing the stepping, because we do not control the platform. What we can do is persuade people to use distributed and/or federated alternatives.

Using "we" was a bad choice by me.

I was trying to say that this is not the natural end of a "slippery slope" of removing hateful/violent videos from YouTube.

I don't think this was an inevitability of moderation. It is possible to have a "YouTube" that left educational material up. It was a choice by a powerful corporation acting in the interest of other powerful forces. If they had a real competitor they might be under pressure to leave useful videos like this up.

YouTube is definitely in the wrong, distributed alternatives are a good way of providing access to this important information.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by exolymph »

asdf21 wrote: post #165
floatingatoll wrote: post #147

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

It's called selective enforcement.

You can make it a PR issue. Go through reporting and if the videos clearly violate TOS and aren't taken down, point out the double standard to the activist press.

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Post by cosmotron »

floatingatoll wrote: post #180
asdf21 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called selective enforcement.

What is?

asdf21 is implying that your strategy probably won't be effective because YouTube may only enforce this policy selectively (i.e. not on their own parent's content or other powerful entities).

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by dekrg »

jjulius wrote: post #167
corndoge wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's citing Project Veritas: https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-f... https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/projec... Just a couple google results, cbf to find the actual video, I'm not promoting any particular viewpoint etc

Thank you. If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. Edit: If you're going to downvote me, note that I have no problem discussing why we should lend credence to claims from an individual with a lon…

So the recorded Google employees were deepfakes?

Or are you saying that autocomplete results for "men can " in Google search are totally natural and not at all political engineering done by Google?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by asdf21 »

floatingatoll wrote: post #180
asdf21 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called selective enforcement.

What is?

When you "report" videos of large companies, they will likely simply ignore those reports, rendering your outlined tactic futile.

Policies like these are almost always selectively enforced.

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