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The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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edit: type 2 Diabetes is a preventable condition, please see my parent edit. Even if it wasn't preventable, apparently only 20% of the disparity is due to unequal healthcare. We don't need better health care. We just need people to care about their health. to the people commenting that t1 is not preventable.. yes. I know that. I also know that type 2 is 23x more common in the US so it's really a nitpick imo: http://d…

Newsflash - type 2 diabetes can also affect those who are and always were of healthy weight and diet. You can't just make health problems insignificant blaming.

The vast majority of type two diabetes is preventable. That which is not is likely misdiagnosed late onset type 1.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

According to a Google lookup, unhealthy foods are cheaper at about $1.50 per day. Also if people cut back on quantity consumed it may be adequate despite being unhealthy food. I think most people eat too many calories per day for the amount of physical activity.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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post #5

Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

Processed unhealthy foods are cheaper than processed healthy(er) foods.

Beans and grains are cheap. Staple fruits and vegetables are cheap. Chicken is cheap (especially dark meat). Eggs are cheap. You can feed a family of 4 a very healthy diet for ~$100 a month if you're willing to put in the work sourcing and cooking.

That's the crux of the issue, though. Food deserts combined with a lack of nutritional and culinary knowledge - maybe a lack of time to prepare healthy meals - is what's killing the average American diet, middle class and below.

Side note: if you raise your kids on hot dogs, chicken nuggets and soda every day then you will possibly ruin their palette for life. We now have people that find drinking water disgusting, because all they've ever drank is Diet Coke.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

That's right. Corporations are forcing people to stuff themselves with potato chips, Captain crunch and pop.

They literally pay people to market these things to children.

You actually name check a 44% sugar cereal that has a cartoon character as a mascot!

The person who invented the flavor described it as having a quality she called "want-more-ishness".

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Type 1 diabetes is not preventable, and it makes it necessary to take insulin. If there were a clear path to eliminate that 20% disparity, why shouldn't that path be pursued?

Perhaps it should be pursued. Actually yes, I think it should. But I think the article is trying to imply that it all has to do with wealth as a cause, not wealth as a substitute identifier for a host of healthy habits. The healthy habits are not expensive, but mostly rich people seem to adopt them.

This just isn't true for several reasons, but I'll pick one and run with it.

Learning to cook is time-consuming and can be frustrating for some people. The skill of cooking is essential to eating better. You really have to learn to make your own food to maximize your health.

How do you expect someone working a full-time minimum-wage job, driving Uber on the side (because I meet almost nobody in rideshares that don't also do something else), taking care of children to find the time to learn to cook? Do they own all of the equipment that they need to be able to cook?

Put simply, they wouldn't be in a position to have to juggle between such terribly paying work and everything else. Many of them probably see fast food as a solution to work more and earn more since their pay is literally hourly. Can you honestly nnot understand why they might prefer the extra $8?

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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post #5

Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

Absolutely not. Don’t perpetuate this BS. Calorie for calorie and pound for pound healthy foods are far cheaper and more nutritious than whatever crap people are reaching for on supermarket shelves or drive thru windows these days.

People have had their sense of taste hyper-stimulated for so long that they have grown a distaste for most “healthy” foods, to their own detriment. If every bite isn’t orgasmically delicious they are unlikely to eat that food again.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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It’s really hard for me not to be skeptical of a study that starts with the premise of measuring everyone else against “the most privileged group,” aka. white men, and then calling their metric “health justice.”

I don’t know the stats off the top of my head but I’ve heard many times that men’s health issues are under-studies relative to women’s — ie breast cancer versus prostate cancer. I’ve also seen that mental health problems affect men more than women, as well as behavioral problems with youth, and yet there’s no outcry for “health justice” for all the men with mental issues or men vastly overrepresented in the prison population.

The study claims that health correlates most strongly with income, and that the gap between black and white has narrowed - and yet the study author claims there’s a “stunning lack of progress.”

Most of America’s problems correlate most strongly with income and more weakly with race and gender, which isn’t surprising when income itself is uneven between race and gender demographics.

Yet it feels to me like we’re constantly crying out about race and gender discrimination while paying much less attention to wealth and income which seem to be the root issue.

Are there racists in the country? Do hate crimes happen? Yes, and we shouldn’t gloss over them.

But are the country’s problems driven mostly by racial hatred? I don’t think so. I think the problem is we have done a lot to pull the ladder up behind the upper-middle class, everyone in the lower income brackets is getting screwed, and that disproportionately affects minorities and historically disadvantaged groups. I think if we could get more serious about putting the ladder back and investing in upward mobility for all, we could make a lot more progress on all the rest of the issues that are affecting the country.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it should be pursued. Actually yes, I think it should. But I think the article is trying to imply that it all has to do with wealth as a cause, not wealth as a substitute identifier for a host of healthy habits. The healthy habits are not expensive, but mostly rich people seem to adopt them.

This just isn't true for several reasons, but I'll pick one and run with it. Learning to cook is time-consuming and can be frustrating for some people. The skill of cooking is essential to eating better. You really have to learn to make your own food to maximize your health. How do you expect someone working a full-time minimum-wage job, driving Uber on the side (because I meet almost nobody in rideshares that don't…

Also, read up on food deserts, it's a huge problem in America. 25 million people have limited to no access to fresh & healthy options at their grocery store. Your grocery store likely doesn't have that problem.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

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