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The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by ndiscussion »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #8
ndiscussion wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: type 2 Diabetes is a preventable condition, please see my parent edit. Even if it wasn't preventable, apparently only 20% of the disparity is due to unequal healthcare. We don't need better health care. We just need people to care about their health. to the people commenting that t1 is not preventable.. yes. I know that. I also know that type 2 is 23x more common in the US so it's really a nitpick imo: http://d…

Type 1 Diabetes is not. Please do not state misinformation. You can’t will a pancreas to cooperate.

please see that we have 23x type 2 as type 1 in the US: http://diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/statistics/

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ndiscussion wrote: post #11
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Type 1 Diabetes is not. Please do not state misinformation. You can’t will a pancreas to cooperate.

please see that we have 23x type 2 as type 1 in the US: http://diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/statistics/

This still doesn’t address the wild inefficiencies in the US healthcare system causing us to spend more per capita than any other first world country with poorer outcomes.

People should take care of their health, but that is not going to fix US healthcare (such as private insurance, pharma, and healthcare providers gouging healthcare consumers). Stab at the heart of the beast.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by ndiscussion »

krisrm wrote: post #10
ndiscussion wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: type 2 Diabetes is a preventable condition, please see my parent edit. Even if it wasn't preventable, apparently only 20% of the disparity is due to unequal healthcare. We don't need better health care. We just need people to care about their health. to the people commenting that t1 is not preventable.. yes. I know that. I also know that type 2 is 23x more common in the US so it's really a nitpick imo: http://d…

Type 1 diabetes is not preventable, and it makes it necessary to take insulin. If there were a clear path to eliminate that 20% disparity, why shouldn't that path be pursued?

Perhaps it should be pursued. Actually yes, I think it should.

But I think the article is trying to imply that it all has to do with wealth as a cause, not wealth as a substitute identifier for a host of healthy habits.

The healthy habits are not expensive, but mostly rich people seem to adopt them.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by skybrian »

hanniabu wrote: post #5
ndiscussion wrote: post #2

Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

Or maybe sugar would be cheaper without government intervention? The U.S. government also maintains a minimum price for sugar via tariffs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Sugar_Program

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by Nasrudith »

ndiscussion wrote: post #4
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t solve the problem of people who die of seizures, diabetes, or other ailments because they can’t afford their medication or insulin. Being lucky is not a healthcare strategy. There is a caravan of Americans who went to Canada to get affordable insulin [1]. From a “first world country”. The answer is universal healthcare. Everything else is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. [1] https://www.reuters.co…

edit: type 2 Diabetes is a preventable condition, please see my parent edit. Even if it wasn't preventable, apparently only 20% of the disparity is due to unequal healthcare. We don't need better health care. We just need people to care about their health. to the people commenting that t1 is not preventable.. yes. I know that. I also know that type 2 is 23x more common in the US so it's really a nitpick imo: http://d…

Newsflash - type 2 diabetes can also affect those who are and always were of healthy weight and diet.

You can't just make health problems insignificant blaming.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by Retric »

skybrian wrote: post #14
hanniabu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

Or maybe sugar would be cheaper without government intervention? The U.S. government also maintains a minimum price for sugar via tariffs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Sugar_Program

Their are several kinds of sugars. White sugar (Sucrose) is more familiar as a granular sweeter, but industry has no problem working with a cheaper liquid.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by [deleted] »

ndiscussion wrote: post #2

Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

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Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by anonuser123456 »

hanniabu wrote: post #5
ndiscussion wrote: post #2

Being healthy is cheap as can be, but the gap is indeed increasing. One need only spend 10 minutes at their favorite discount grocer checkout line to see why. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's very sad. Why are we destroying our bodies? edit: this quote is getting at it, but seems to ignore the real problem. > Research shows that health care accounts for only 10% to 20% of overall health outcomes > when patie…

Unhealthy foods are cheaper than healthy foods, partially due to sugar subsidies. This is what happens when corporations run the government. They lobby for things that are beneficial to their bottom line rather than what's better for the well being of the population.

That's right. Corporations are forcing people to stuff themselves with potato chips, Captain crunch and pop.

Re: The Gap Between Rich and Poor Americans' Health Is Widening

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #9

Unpopular hypothesis: Executive function is causally correlated with health and wealth.

Ironically something negatively affected by lead exposure, yet the comment you reply to seems to be judging people in poor area's decisions as being a factor in theit health outcomes while at the same time minimising lead poisoning's impact.
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