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I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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> Once this sort of data is made insecure, there is no hope of getting it back. One cannot simply alter their face like they can their phone number or email address.

This is the single most thing that we all should be concerned about. I take it that we cannot do much about stopping government surveillance in the name of security. It's coming anyway whether we like it or not. A large number of population is already under this tech already.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

#92
post #32

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Not sure if this happens in smaller airports, but if the passport scanner is automated, they already take a picture of you.

The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you. Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.

Wait, what do they take a picture of, your passport or you?

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

#93
post #62

> Will we only wake up once we no longer have the choice to opt out? yes :/ Many commenters say that your data / picture is in the system already, which is fine, but your passport photo can be 10 - 15 years old and these systems record how you look now. That's the question if you are comfortable providing it. What you can't do anything about is CCTV and I think it's a safe bet that they are already equipped with faci…

Gatwick airport had a ton of facial recognition cameras last time I was there. They had a ring of leds around the lens that lights up in a rotating pattern, it really is difficult not to look directly into the lens due to that.

I had to get my retina scanned at Abudhabi airport the last time I was there for a project. I had to look into a scanner and try to see a picture of the house inside that. For some reason I couldn't see a house inside that. The officers were very unprofessional. They shouted at me for not being able to see the house and it probably have to do with my passport from a not so desirable elite country.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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>Internal flight could be anonymous, but when is the last time anyone paid for flights by cash? Let me tell you about flying before 1996, kid. It was great. No ID presented, you just needed a paper ticket. You could actually buy and sell paper tickets on usenet (and people did), and you could wave to your family when you get on the airplane as you didn't need a ticket to be in the boarding area. I thought it was a di…

Nothing you've said here would make me want to go back to 1996 and take a flight, granddad.

I guess animals often grow to enjoy their cages; had a pal who kinda freaked out when he got out of the pokey too.

Oh yeah: no body cavity searches getting past the gate, we had legroom, free food on the plane, free baggage, and they didn't blare CNN in the airports like some Orwell dystopia, or ads for the airline on the airplane telescreen. The planes were better too; 747 was super common and comfy (now you need to fly the Luftwaffe or British Airways, and the seats aint what they used to be), and if you were loaded, you could take the Concorde across the pond for a price which seems comically cheap these days.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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post #85

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Huh, I do it every time. Never behind a privacy screen. Never bothered me at all. The only shitty part is when agents let your stuff go through the scanners but you’re stuck behind the machines. I’m always trying to crane my neck to make sure no one walks off with a laptop. Usually the TSA agents are very nice. I ask them about their days, how things are, and then I’m on my way. I like to exercise my rights just to m…

Fortunately and unfortunately, I nearly always travel with one or more young kids, which means I can't realistically do stuff like this that'll delay things (they have small bladders, little patience, and are curious). However, they usually have me go through the metal detector instead of the backscatter machine, so I tend to avoid that part of it. Before our last trip, I read about the facial ID thing, and I was wor…

> I just wish we can all come to our senses and realize that the TSA doesn't really make us safer and that it just makes everyone mad. Unfortunately, people just seem to put up with it.

Because people don't feel like they can make any real impact, and for those who can (our representatives), it's political suicide. The TSA is a giant waste of money but turning the front line of security back to airports would extremely easy to attack as weak on crime, inviting in terrorists, etc. (But who knows, maybe the sight of the TSA line makes terrorists give up in frustration because they're too busy to wait an hour or more just to hijack a plane.)

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you. Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.

Wait, what do they take a picture of, your passport or you?

You scan your passport, lean in for a picture of your face, and hand a receipt to a person on your way out.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you. Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.

Wait, what do they take a picture of, your passport or you?

Both.

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

#98
post #3

Very click-baity. Below the only part that actually relates to the title: The announcement came as we began to board. Last month, I was at Detroit’s Metro Airport for a connecting flight to Southeast Asia. I listened as a Delta Air Lines staff member informed passengers that the boarding process would use facial recognition instead of passport scanners. As a privacy-conscious person, I was uncomfortable boarding this…

Oh, it's "not very novel"? So it's completely unimportant then. That Western so-called civilization is sliding into a totalitarian dystopia while proclaiming it is protecting "freedom" is not an interesting topic of discussion, because... it has been discussed before!

Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy

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post #42

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Probably that's because I didn't travel to USA yet, but I don't understand why it's sad. Why the hell would you opt for a patdown? What must be the default then?

These: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray

Most airports have moved to millimeter wave instead of x-ray: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner
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