Earlier quoted context omitted.
These: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray
What's the problem with these exactly?
They show you naked and invade your privacy
I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
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Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the problem with these exactly?
They show you naked and invade your privacy
And have not been used in the US for 6 years
(from the wikipedia article linked above)
> In the United States, the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 required that all full-body scanners operated in airports by the Transportation Security Administration use "Automated Target Recognition" software, which replaces the picture of a nude body with the cartoon-like representation.[3] As a result of this law, all backscatter X-ray machines formerly in use by the Transportation Security Administration were removed from airports by May 2013, since the agency said the vendor (Rapiscan) did not meet their contractual deadline to implement the software.[4]
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
What airport is this? At Adelaide airport arrivals I always choose to go through the manual processing queue, i.e. the one non-Australian citizens have to use. Half the time it's faster than the smart-gate system queue, and even if it's not an extra 10 minutes after 26hrs + of traveling isn't going to kill me. As for departures, it wasn't obvious to me - like with you - that I could opt-out. I'll give it a shot next…
I use the ‘smart’ gates at Melbourne regularly. You insert your passport, stand in front of a camera, and one assumes that your current photograph is compared to that of your passport. If they’re the same, you pass. I fail to see the privacy implications. I’m already giving someone my passport details – I must do that to enter or exit the country. That passport already contains my photograph. What privacy am I losing…
Passport scanners at the airports are highly regulated. Facial recognition is not.
This is the airline collecting your biometrics — a completely different entity from the border control that usually checks your passport.
You insert your passport and that should be it. Border control has already checked your identity. Afterwards, your photo was taken by the airline in order to "verify you".
Granted, airlines could get your photograph in a myriad of ways, but this system makes it as convenient for them as it can get.
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#54At Rome's FCO airport there is a facial recognition passport control for flights outside of the EU. Last time I left the EU, my aging passport's chip refused to work and a person made me retry 5 times before letting me go to the human passport control.
It must be said that the non-European, non-biometric passport control can easily take 30 minutes longer.
I have to say that I've never thought about this in terms of databases, I somewhat assumed that they were only matching against the local copy in my passport, but maybe someone can elucidate for me on how this works on EU passports.
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#55“Until we have evidence that facial recognition is accurate and reliable—as opposed to simply convenient—travelers should avoid the technology where they can.”
No, no, no! The possibility that this technology may occasionally be wrong pales in comparison to the world we’re marching toward. By far the biggest risk facing society is that having your every move tracked by governments will soon be next to impossible.
Also just imagine what our world will look like as facial recognition data slowly leaks out into the hands of non governments (or they find ways to collect it.) It isn’t hard to imagine a world where everyone knows everyone else’s whereabouts at all times. Facial recognition feels like the biggest looming step toward a dystopian world.
The fact that they throw out the possibility of this technology occasionally being wrong sidesteps the real risks in favor of something that’s just easier to explain.
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
These: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray
What's the problem with these exactly?
The fact a stranger gets to look at me naked is undignified - like if someone was hiding spy cameras in gym showers, or walking up to people in public and pulling down their trousers.
From a Defcon angle, it's also an information security risk; even large government bodies have fallen victim to cryptolockers, so it's not like the government-grade IT security keeping the photos secure is impenetrable.
The 'reassurance' that I'm too ugly and unimportant for anyone to take particular interest in does nothing to restore this dignity :)
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
What airport is this? At Adelaide airport arrivals I always choose to go through the manual processing queue, i.e. the one non-Australian citizens have to use. Half the time it's faster than the smart-gate system queue, and even if it's not an extra 10 minutes after 26hrs + of traveling isn't going to kill me. As for departures, it wasn't obvious to me - like with you - that I could opt-out. I'll give it a shot next…
I use the ‘smart’ gates at Melbourne regularly. You insert your passport, stand in front of a camera, and one assumes that your current photograph is compared to that of your passport. If they’re the same, you pass. I fail to see the privacy implications. I’m already giving someone my passport details – I must do that to enter or exit the country. That passport already contains my photograph. What privacy am I losing…
The bio-metric data is not discarded but collected somewhere in a database, it could be abused in a few years or it could be leaked and now hackers have it,
I think it would be fair if the system would scan your passport , scan you, confirm the identity but not store your biometric data.
Re: I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport – It Wasn't Easy
#58Airport is about the only places that I have no problem with being Facial Recognition as long as the data is correctly handled because it contributes to the safety of so many parties.
What is your limit? What about handing over all your social accounts? fingerprints, DNA , it seems that gradually if a thing can be done it will be done. 2
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#59Very click-baity. Below the only part that actually relates to the title: The announcement came as we began to board. Last month, I was at Detroit’s Metro Airport for a connecting flight to Southeast Asia. I listened as a Delta Air Lines staff member informed passengers that the boarding process would use facial recognition instead of passport scanners. As a privacy-conscious person, I was uncomfortable boarding this…
Summed up my thoughts on this right here. Reading the article it doesn’t exactly detail what the headline explains and, as you said, selves into the ethical debate surrounding its use. Sigh.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe you don't want new data points on your face in a database.
Not sure if this happens in smaller airports, but if the passport scanner is automated, they already take a picture of you.
The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you.
Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.