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Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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Unfortunately not at all. A lot of this comes from extensive travel and spending time in the third and second world. Many of the poorest billion simply do not realize that it is against their interest not to, for example, dump chemicals and trash in water they drink from and bathe in. Or just simply that littering is a problem. To be clear I'm not faulting them, like everyone else they are mostly good people and if t…

> Many of the poorest billion simply do not realize that it is against their interest not to, for example, dump chemicals and trash in water they drink from and bathe in. Or just simply that littering is a problem.

To be fair to the poorest billion, the richest billion also doesn't really get this either.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I believe we'll eventually get our act together and survive with some pretty serious damage to the environment. When people are sufficiently desperate, you'll see more change.

You can get ahead of the eventualities and help by learning how to survive without the use of fossil fuels which is difficult but more or less achievable today. Use electric bikes, cars and motorcycles. Work remotely. Try to find an efficient home. Live in a climate that doesn't require too much heating or cooling. Eat vegetables more and so on.

I know you didn't ask for it, but there is a political factor too. Vote for politicians who take the environment seriously. There are industries that need regulation. No matter how much you're trying, if they aren't, progress on the solution will be slowed or stopped.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I believe we'll eventually get our act together and survive with some pretty serious damage to the environment. When people are sufficiently desperate, you'll see more change. You can get ahead of the eventualities and help by learning how to survive without the use of fossil fuels which is difficult but more or less achievable today. Use electric bikes, cars and motorcycles. Work remotely. Try to find an efficient h…

> I believe we'll eventually get our act together and survive with some pretty serious damage to the environment.

I agree that it will take some pain before we get behind fixing the problem. My concern is that once it is painful, we won't be technologically capable of saving the planet.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I'm optimistic that Earth (our environment) will survive, but I'm also sure that it will be less hospitable for human life. If catastrophe is going to happen it is more likely that it will be human-induced catastrophe (wars, genocide, famine) rather than environmental one.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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Unfortunately not at all. A lot of this comes from extensive travel and spending time in the third and second world. Many of the poorest billion simply do not realize that it is against their interest not to, for example, dump chemicals and trash in water they drink from and bathe in. Or just simply that littering is a problem. To be clear I'm not faulting them, like everyone else they are mostly good people and if t…

> Many of the poorest billion simply do not realize that it is against their interest not to, for example, dump chemicals and trash in water they drink from and bathe in. Or just simply that littering is a problem. To be fair to the poorest billion, the richest billion also doesn't really get this either.

Indeed, how's the water in Michigan, and even "recycling" in the US means the trash gets shipped to Asia/Africa to be burned.

It's "lack of information" or in this case being mislead by whoever promised them their recycling is contributing to being green...

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I am pessimistic about the future. I guess I will not raise any child, given I don’t think humanity will last long.

I’ve got two young kids, sometimes I think they might be okay. I don’t have any hope for my unborn grandchildren. At my most pessimistic, I wonder if I should investigate some sort redoubt to help them prepare. But who know what you really need to prepare for. It just feels so hopeless sometimes.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I am hopeful. We're in for a rough ride, but we will survive.

1. Rate of progress and market adoption of key technologies (ICE alternatives and renewables) is much higher than I would have anticipated even 10 years ago, let alone 15 years. I am hopeful that, even with only market forces, by the end of my lifetime developed economies will have more-or-less righted the ship on GHG production with a corresponding blueprint for the rest of the world.

2. I think we still have a long time before some of the worst-case feedback loops are triggered.

3. The realities of climate change are becoming difficult to ignore. This is, paradoxically, good news because it makes denial a less tenable barrier to action in the mid-term future.

All that said, I'm hedging my bets with real estate investments in regions that are most likely to benefit from mid-term impacts of warming.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I believe we'll eventually get our act together and survive with some pretty serious damage to the environment. When people are sufficiently desperate, you'll see more change. You can get ahead of the eventualities and help by learning how to survive without the use of fossil fuels which is difficult but more or less achievable today. Use electric bikes, cars and motorcycles. Work remotely. Try to find an efficient h…

I think that there needs to be an equivalent of a climate 9/11 event. Maybe Miami getting wiped off the map by a category 9 hurricane (and call me a pessimist but the loss of a city in a developing country to climate change just won't register in the minds of the developed world).

We as a species are very emotionally driven and slow trends and statistics just aren't as compelling as a big event. I don't know how bad the environment will have to get for that to happen though.

Otherwise, the people creating the most carbon emissions will just view this as an inconvenience and crank their AC higher. The numbers involved in the reporting (2C, 3C etc) just sound small and insignificant when in reality of course that's just an average.

Re: Ask HN: Are You Hopeful About the Environment?

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I come back a lot to the parable of "who's to say what's good or bad?" (one telling of which can be found here: https://thepowerofthrift.com/whos-to-say-whats-good-or-bad/ )

My more specific take: As a human of generally European-ish descent born in the United States, the wave of extinctions that gave land-dominance to mammals, the likely genocide of closely related hominids by the homo-sapiens, the ecological changes putatively caused by the first wave of human occupants including all the extinctions of large land animals on this continent, the subsequent genocide of the first human occupants, the conflicts and wars that caused my ancestors to emigrate, ... those were all necessary conditions for the exact experiences I've had in my life.

I'm not saying I support genocide! (my ancestors are mostly all Jewish.) I'm just saying that the farther something is in the past, the more it just seems like a fact of history, no matter how miserable and wrenching it was for all the organisms that lived through it.

We have no way of knowing what we're really creating, and it may well be that we're creating a hundred thousand years of extinctions and inhospitable weather which will be more difficult to live through for our descendants than the conditions we were born into. We may be radically shrinking our own natural habitat. We may be paving the way for a different dominant organism. We may be living in an era that future humans will give as much thought to as we give to the years 1000-1100 C.E. Who knows! and in the long game, the thousands and millions of years perspective, who's to say what's good or bad?

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