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As per Marx and other early socialist/communist philosophers in the mid-late 1800's, socialist was generally voluntary and supposed to be a bottom-up movement. Don't confuse human, power-hungry implementations with the underlying philosophy. Plenty of democratic countries in Europe skew socialist to some degree - no boom-sticks required to 'keep people in line'

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

You may not know this, but the Constitution guarantees the same rights to foreigners on US soil as it does to US citizens. (This is a pretty basic part of civic education, but civic education in the US these days is terrible.) So, no, I would not be OK with the government violating the Constitution.

This isn't actually true. The majority of constitutional rights apply to foreigners, but some don't.

https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights...

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you classify the US treatment of Japanese citizens during WW2 as inhumane? Back then, they were called war relocation centers. Right now, we call them concentration camps. Same thing will happen with the current camps, both in the US and China. In both cases, it's only the citizens of those countries that object to the usage of the term "concentration camps", while everyone else classifies them properly. Nobody…

Those Japanese-American detainees had legal residential status when they were illegally rounded up without due process. The detainees in the current border camps have no such status. Some of them are eventually admitted as refugees but there is no obligation to allow any of them to simply enter the country. Presumably they would be permitted to leave the camps if they decided to go to a different country. If not, the…

The individuals being detained would not be permitted to leave the camps to simply go elsewhere. As per Section 1325 of Title 8 in the U.S. Code, they have committed a crime and are being detained on that basis.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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iOS is probably looked at as well, but has to be done manually since there's no way to just do it with a simple app.

I'd wager that they have a enterprise certificate to sign the iOS app with. Then it's a matter of sending the spy victims to a URL, installing the app and granting access to photos/ location/ whatever.

Nope.. the user would also have to open Settings and explicitly mark the vendor certificate as trusted.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

What is wrong with having a video file of violence on your phone? I'm pretty sure it's totally legal.

And what if it was a scene from saw or something?

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

I don’t think you strongly believe in the right to privacy.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

Here we go again, classic what-about-ism from china web army

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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What I don't understand is why they leave the app installed on the person's phone after the scan if it does not do any further scanning in the background.

Seems to me like carelessness / incompetence. One of the articles I've read on this topic suggested that in most cases they remove the app.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

#209

If the US started doing this (scanning phones for islamic terrorism files) to foreigners at the border, would you care? If it was just a scan and no data was harvested? I believe strongly in the right to privacy, but I have to admit, I do not want anyone coming into my country who has beheading videos on their phone. Unless they are a journalist or something, obviously.

If the US government started doing this, there definitely will be lawsuit and most probably the government will be defeated in the court. But in China, things do not work this way. The supreme court of China must follow the demand of the communist party, see: https://www.ft.com/content/60dddd46-dc74-11e6-9d7c-be108f1c1...

It's just pathetic to see this kind of whataboutism keeps coming up on this website. The US and China have very different political systems, the former is democratic republic, the later is authoritarian. It is not a close comparison.

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