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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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tehjoker wrote: post #45
Circuits wrote: post #38

I find myself torn when it comes to how the Chinese are handling Muslims and the Islamic religion in general. One one hand, I realize the religion is dangerous and pervasive. On the other hand I want people to be able to believe what they want to believe and practice those beliefs; however, at what expense? If the practice of those beliefs leads to cultures where sharia law is the rule of law? Yes, very torn here. ED…

I would recommend meeting an actual Muslim or reading less hysterical material about Islam. Even better perhaps, try reading about the history of Western imperialism in the middle East and a lot of the issues will suddenly become clearer.

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Post by iiuuhhggff »

Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #109
fao_ wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can (and would) opt out of going to America. I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.

This is grasping at straws. If you think the situation in US is anywhere remotely close to China, you are either under the influence of severe propaganda, or just don't know what's actually going on in both countries. China has no actual rule of law and is a de facto authoritarian dictatorship.

I think people who say this forget about the “war on terror” and all the innocent civilians killed in drone stikes.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

augstein wrote: post #39
saagarjha wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. If you're not a citizen, they can also probably hold you for a while too. But I don't think they can compel you to unlock the device.

In reality most tourist will hand over their devices though, to avoid being sent back to their country of origin.

Yeah, nobody is going to ruin their entire vacation by stonewalling the border security. This is why my friend let a border agent view her Tinder messages to ensure that "she wasn't coming for sex work," and then endured his parting words: "well, it seems that you're a good girl ;)."

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Post by schoen »

braythwayt wrote: post #98
erdo wrote: post #82

Given China's expansive attitude to industrial espionage (all foreign companies are fair game), if I were in charge of security for a large multinational, what's my security policy going to be for my employees who travel to China for meetings? Does this change anything? or is behaviour like this from China or indeed anyone else, already priced in?

Others can chime in, but I believe that most serious companies doing business with China have a burner-device policy for employees travelling to China. Your devices will all be hacked with industrial espionage malware, and just in case you don't have anything on those devices, you will be given devices as "gifts"—like flash drives and WiFi-equipped smart home devices--that will exploit any devices you didn't bring wi…

I'm always confused when I hear this about why malware researchers don't obtain a huge trove of malware samples (and/or zero-day exploits) by obtaining some of these "gifts" and then connecting them to honeypot devices. If all you have to do to receive one is travel to China as an employee of a major U.S. company, they must be quite easy to get ahold of.

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Post by iiuuhhggff »

driverdan wrote: post #113
murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

I downvoted you because this whataboutism is a distraction from the topic. We should fight back against the US policy too but it's clearly not the same thing.

I upvoted him because he adds a larger perspective to this issue.

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Post by iiuuhhggff »

johnzim wrote: post #54
phy6 wrote: post #37

""What you’ve found goes beyond that: it suggests that even foreigners are subjected to such mass, and unlawful surveillance."" Pretty bold for them to call it unlawful in two places when it was not shown to be against that country's laws. Distasteful, yes. Unlawful? Hard to tell from just this article. Personally, I'm more worried about exported android devices.

Indeed. For something to be unlawful you must have a society beholden to the rule of law, which the PRC is most definitely not.

Aren’t all cops, when operating in an official capacity, above the law?

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Post by landcoctos »

rwmj wrote: post #22
lixtra wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the last ESTA form I saw, they were asking not for all, but specific accounts. Apart from fb and Twitter there was also github, but I don’t remember seeing mastedon for example. Did I miss something?

The ESTA will be a bit different, but the exact question from the US visa application is: 7. Public-facing social media platforms and identifiers/handles used during the last five years. This includes any websites or applications the applicant has used to create or share content (photos, videos, status updates, etc.) as part of a public profile. I was advised by my lawyer that this covers Reddit and HN, and Facebook/…

> a public profile

What if the profile isn't part of a person's profile? As in it has zero relation to their "real" life.

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Post by iiuuhhggff »

bovermyer wrote: post #4

The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety. However, the implications are still ominous. I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?

There were multiple terrorist attacks in that region. Once China started cracking down, there haven’t been any.

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Post by joe_the_user »

panarky wrote: post #106
murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

> The US ... This style of argument is deflection, and it gets us nowhere. It's very effective in redirecting the focus away from one bad actor and onto another bad actor, though.

It all depends on what level of attention one is assuming. I like to imagine a situation where people can understand a world with multiple bad actors.
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