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I read that as the Huawei phone being the burner phone, which is the point.
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#112The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.
That's worse IMO. I can (and would) opt out of taking my phone to China. I can't easily dodge US' requirements. These two bully super-powers really give me a bad feeling about the future...
What if you just say no? I don't use any social media and it can't be that unusual
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#113The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.
I downvoted you because this whataboutism is a distraction from the topic. We should fight back against the US policy too but it's clearly not the same thing.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that's what's interesting about China! It's an alternative civilization! The last 30 years we've seen it develop at a rate that is obviously impossible given the experience of all other countries. Yet this, very different, country does it. It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes, even from systems everyone "knows" shouldn't work.
How is it "obviously impossible"? Most of the developed countries went through rocket growth phases at some point.
Yeah, for example Japan had crazy rate of growth for quite a while after WW2.
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I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.
yes, please provide factual proof of how your statement is accurate when it comes to Buddhism?
I only know of one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myan... but WP seems to have more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
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#116I find myself torn when it comes to how the Chinese are handling Muslims and the Islamic religion in general. One one hand, I realize the religion is dangerous and pervasive. On the other hand I want people to be able to believe what they want to believe and practice those beliefs; however, at what expense? If the practice of those beliefs leads to cultures where sharia law is the rule of law? Yes, very torn here. ED…
You started a religious flamewar. That's not welcome on HN, and we ban accounts that do it. Please stick to the site guidelines and don't do this again.
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> China was never really not a police state of some sort. Even ancient Imperial China was very much like this. To the point where China basically had no such thing as a legal system in the Western sense! The only kind of dispute resolution was mutually-assured destruction via criminal-like prosecution, basically "If I think you've been trying to cheat me out of something, I can get government goons to beat you up, fo…
But that's what's interesting about China! It's an alternative civilization! The last 30 years we've seen it develop at a rate that is obviously impossible given the experience of all other countries. Yet this, very different, country does it. It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes, even from systems everyone "knows" shouldn't work.
> It's good to have diversity in governance systems and be able to see the different outcomes...
I've been lucky not to experience this myself, but I imagine it is bad to experience the "different outcomes" firsthand when the governance system -- novel as it might appear from a distance -- has foundations in violent suppression of individual freedom.
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#118>"China is using technology for the perfection of dictatorship." -Pete Buttigieg, 2020 US presidential candidate PRC may be blazing the trail, but as the tech becomes proved and available, I won't be surprised to see creeping adoption in more "free" countries (especially following crises).
Exactly. People are already used to much more surveillance than they used and this trend just keeps going. Sometimes it's China taking the lead, sometimes the US, sometimes other countries. But they all look at each other and slowly adopt what the other country is doing.
I am pretty sure the next generation will never see anything other than complete surveillance by countries or corporations. And for them it will seem normal.
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#119The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety. However, the implications are still ominous. I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?
Basically China is too big and doesn't have good natural internal borders so throughout history it has only held together when the central government was especially ruthless. It's just too easy to steamroll off of some early military victories, so all insurrection needs to be quashed before it ever really gets started. This means you need a brutal police state. In modern times the traditions of the past remain even a…
China is also working very hard to get rid of its minorities by simply distributing Han Chinese everywhere.
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Your comments are bordering on islamophobic (and that's from a charitable interpretation of your intent). Just don't. HN isn't the platform for hate.
> islamophobic That's rich, so pattern identification is bigotry now? The suffix "phobic" refers to an irrational fear. Nothing about his comment was indicative of irrationality.
Religious flamewar will get you banned here. No more of this please.