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Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by bitcharmer »

tantalor wrote: post #92
murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

I assume you're referring to this form: https://www.axistravel.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ONL... Regarding email address, it's under "contact information" same as "home address". What's the problem? Regarding social media, it says "optional", so...?

Not sure under which rock you were hiding all this time, so here you are:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48118558

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-ca...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/warrantless-phone-laptop-searc...

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

#102

Post by sayusasugi »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #77
Circuits wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing." - Hinduism, Buddhism? Certainly Christianity at some point in history but I think if you read the Koran and then read the bible you will see that one has a propensity to incite violence and discrimination that far outweighs the other.

Your comments are bordering on islamophobic (and that's from a charitable interpretation of your intent). Just don't. HN isn't the platform for hate.

> islamophobic

That's rich, so pattern identification is bigotry now? The suffix "phobic" refers to an irrational fear. Nothing about his comment was indicative of irrationality.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by secfirstmd »

murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

Also five eye governments collect most of the (open/covert) data that they want when you a) apply for visa and b) you check in.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by dirtyid »

BurningFrog wrote: post #65
mdorazio wrote: post #2

This bit is important: "Foreigners crossing certain Chinese borders into the Xinjiang region"... I'm not aware of Chinese authorities getting quite that draconian (yet) at the normal border entry points in Beijing, Shanghai, etc. However, I think it's still worth following the general advice that if you have sensitive data on your devices, leave them at home and use a burner phone/laptop + restore from the cloud late…

OK, Xinjiang is basically a low level war zone/prison camp. Quite different from the rest of China.

Rest of China is captured by wechat anyways. This is only really useful for foreign reporters travelling in XinJiang. China could technically just ban foreigners from travelling there but somehow thinks the optics of this is better.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

#105

Post by keiferski »

murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

Yes and that is a serious problem. Why don’t you submit a story and discuss it there, rather than perpetuate Whataboutism?

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by panarky »

murbard2 wrote: post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

> The US ...

This style of argument is deflection, and it gets us nowhere.

It's very effective in redirecting the focus away from one bad actor and onto another bad actor, though.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

#108

Post by homonculus1 »

fao_ wrote: post #87
Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can (and would) opt out of going to China. I'm all set with authoritarian dictatorships with torture camps and organ harvesting.

I can (and would) opt out of going to America. I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.

Stopping noncitizens at the border for processing is a far cry from dragging millions of people out of their homes.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by Japhy_Ryder »

fao_ wrote: post #87
Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can (and would) opt out of going to China. I'm all set with authoritarian dictatorships with torture camps and organ harvesting.

I can (and would) opt out of going to America. I'm all set with government-endorsed child trafficking and concentration camps.

This is grasping at straws. If you think the situation in US is anywhere remotely close to China, you are either under the influence of severe propaganda, or just don't know what's actually going on in both countries.

China has no actual rule of law and is a de facto authoritarian dictatorship.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Post by tantalor »

bitcharmer wrote: post #101
tantalor wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're referring to this form: https://www.axistravel.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ONL... Regarding email address, it's under "contact information" same as "home address". What's the problem? Regarding social media, it says "optional", so...?

Not sure under which rock you were hiding all this time, so here you are: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48118558 https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-ca... https://www.zdnet.com/article/warrantless-phone-laptop-searc...

I was referring to "give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts", not "If you ... you must now share that information". Your references make no mention of the former.
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