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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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How is this enforcable? ...or is it just the accounts that you will be using while in the US? Technically this seems difficult to enforce.

You can potentially be permanently banned from entering the US if you lie or omit information.

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The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety. However, the implications are still ominous. I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?

China was never really not a police state of some sort. The ancient Imperial system broke down at the dawning of the modern era, and the Kuomintang "Republic of China" arose to replace it. It never managed to achieve either internal security or nationwide fair elections, and got into an extremely brutal fight with Communist insurgents. The communists were forced into retreat (Long March) during which most of them die…

> China was never really not a police state of some sort.

Even ancient Imperial China was very much like this. To the point where China basically had no such thing as a legal system in the Western sense! The only kind of dispute resolution was mutually-assured destruction via criminal-like prosecution, basically "If I think you've been trying to cheat me out of something, I can get government goons to beat you up, for theft or whatever." And the government goons often beat up both disputants, for good measure. It's surprising that they even managed to build a halfway-functioning society and keep it going for thousands of years, out of such crudities.

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The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

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> The Süddeutsche Zeitung reporter said they saw machines that appeared to be for searching iPhones at the border. Is this known to be possible? I would've thought it isn't (at least without the user entering their passcode and "trusting" the device).

> without the user entering their passcode and "trusting" the device

Right, do you want to enter the country or not? Click that button, sir.

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This bit is important: "Foreigners crossing certain Chinese borders into the Xinjiang region"... I'm not aware of Chinese authorities getting quite that draconian (yet) at the normal border entry points in Beijing, Shanghai, etc. However, I think it's still worth following the general advice that if you have sensitive data on your devices, leave them at home and use a burner phone/laptop + restore from the cloud late…

OK, Xinjiang is basically a low level war zone/prison camp.

Quite different from the rest of China.

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It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

The same or worse can be said about any religion

This is true, but this doesn't invalidate the claim that Islam is pervasive (it's the second largest religion) and dangerous (like all religions).

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety. However, the implications are still ominous. I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?

Although it’s not specific to modern China, if you haven’t read it then (irrespective of your views on the Austrian school more broadly) I’d recommend Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom on this. It’s quite prescient in describing how the path of proto communist states veers towards totalitarianism.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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The title is a little misleading, as it's a region of China and not the entirety. However, the implications are still ominous. I'm curious, how did China develop into such a police state? Anyone able to point me to some reading on the subject?

Basically China is too big and doesn't have good natural internal borders so throughout history it has only held together when the central government was especially ruthless. It's just too easy to steamroll off of some early military victories, so all insurrection needs to be quashed before it ever really gets started. This means you need a brutal police state.

In modern times the traditions of the past remain even after the natural barriers of communication time and mobilization speed have been eradicated by modern technology. The rules of the past become a part of the culture, language, and customs of the people, even after they are theoretically obsolete. Finally, there is a natural fear of retribution you see when a minority oppresses the majority for a long time. The minority doesn't want to be treated as they treated the majority for so long, and are terrified that if they give an inch they'll find themselves hanging from a pole just like so many of their victims.

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post #56

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Most of my information comes from history books and actually reading the Koran. I have also studied a bit on what life is like in countries where Sharia law is practiced such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan and tbh it's not looking to hot for Islam.

There are a billion muslims on Earth, maybe you should focus on statistics and talking to people instead.

I am though... you might try speaking to someone who has had to leave a neighborhood which has recently received an influx of Muslims? Perhaps you should talk to a devote Muslim yourself because I have and I don't believe, based on my experience, that you are practicing what you are preaching too me here. Just ask one devote Muslim male what their ideal world would look like.
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