Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by bhalp1 » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen
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Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

My main gripes are no TypeScript support and going to mustache-like templates after working with JSX/TSX is a step back for me.

Also losing React Native, which is non-issue if you're just developing a web app.

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by yodon » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:07 PM UTC

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #2

My main gripes are no TypeScript support and going to mustache-like templates after working with JSX/TSX is a step back for me. Also losing React Native, which is non-issue if you're just developing a web app.

Agreed, JSX/TSX feels so incredibly natural it's hard to imagine giving it up, and starting a significant JS project in 2019 or 2020 without using TypeScript would feel professionally negligent to me.

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by caiocaiocaio » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:11 PM UTC

I like playing with different web frameworks, but the article had a bad hype:information ratio, so I googled the Svelte homepage, which I think is really well presented: https://svelte.dev/

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by _0o6v » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

yodon wrote: post #3

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #2

My main gripes are no TypeScript support and going to mustache-like templates after working with JSX/TSX is a step back for me. Also losing React Native, which is non-issue if you're just developing a web app.

Agreed, JSX/TSX feels so incredibly natural it's hard to imagine giving it up, and starting a significant JS project in 2019 or 2020 without using TypeScript would feel professionally negligent to me.

Using JS ternaries for conditional rendering doesn't feel natural to me at all

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by marcus_holmes » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:17 PM UTC

I get a 500 error on the second page of the "getting started", so... nope, not the most beautiful I've seen.

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by mfatica » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:19 PM UTC

marcus_holmes wrote: post #6

I get a 500 error on the second page of the "getting started", so... nope, not the most beautiful I've seen.

if they use cloudflare that's the reason why. all of cloudflare was down today

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by notus » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:20 PM UTC

caiocaiocaio wrote: post #4

I like playing with different web frameworks, but the article had a bad hype:information ratio, so I googled the Svelte homepage, which I think is really well presented: https://svelte.dev/

I get a 404

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by bin0 » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

Svelte is so great... so were react, angular, ember, meteor, and vue. I'm sorry, but I've got trouble seeing how having one more framework to learn is going to help any thing.

There's a webcomic of some sort to which I can't find the link, which talks about this. Some one is sick of the bloat of x framework/tool/whatever, and decides to build it better. He works hard, and finally version 1.0 is released to dramatic music. But there's a problem - it hits the real world and starts running into edge cases, bugs, and other things that can't be predicted in design and testing, necessarily. Features creep, and over time, it becomes just as bad as that which it sought to replace. Then, some bright young soul gets the idea that he can do it better...

This is not to discourage innovation. It doesn't appear it's been battle-tested like other frameworks, and I don't see many major operations on the list of users. If it ends up better, great, but I can't say I'm optimistic.

Re: Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen

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Post by yodon » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

_0o6v wrote: post #5

yodon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, JSX/TSX feels so incredibly natural it's hard to imagine giving it up, and starting a significant JS project in 2019 or 2020 without using TypeScript would feel professionally negligent to me.

Using JS ternaries for conditional rendering doesn't feel natural to me at all

Ok, I should probably edit my comment to "JSX/TSX feels so incredibly natural except for needing to use JS ternaries for conditional rendering" because seriously what were they thinking there?