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Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Doomsday messages are coming in in rapid succession. First the permafrost is melting 70 years earlier than expected, then Greenland losing massive amounts of ice, then glaciers that provide fresh water for hundreds of millions in India and China disappearing at an alarming rate, now this.

And still politicians do nothing. What we need is an effort to build renewables, insulate homes, and build charging infrastructure that rivals the Apollo program, what we get are "freedom molecules" and "clean coal".

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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I don't quite follow the results being discussed here, but from my reading am I right in understanding that up until now there's been a gradual increasing trend in sea ice coverage in the antarctic, which is now (as of the latest results) drastically decreasing?

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Doomsday messages are coming in in rapid succession. First the permafrost is melting 70 years earlier than expected, then Greenland losing massive amounts of ice, then glaciers that provide fresh water for hundreds of millions in India and China disappearing at an alarming rate, now this. And still politicians do nothing. What we need is an effort to build renewables, insulate homes, and build charging infrastructure…

Don't forget that all the insects (the single largest link in the animalian food chain) are dying.

Politicians long ago forgot that their job is to instigate improvement in society, and now relegate themselves to either decrying or defending the status quo. I'm beginning to fear that the Apollo program might actually be the greatest societal effort the US will ever undertake.

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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post #2

Doomsday messages are coming in in rapid succession. First the permafrost is melting 70 years earlier than expected, then Greenland losing massive amounts of ice, then glaciers that provide fresh water for hundreds of millions in India and China disappearing at an alarming rate, now this. And still politicians do nothing. What we need is an effort to build renewables, insulate homes, and build charging infrastructure…

My guess is that this is related to the "exponential growth" of humanity

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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I think that it's important for free market advocates, myself included, to understand something. Negative third party externalities, having direct impacts on individuals that did not consent to the responsible transaction(s), are fully within the responsibility of the government to regulate and/or tax. You are not violating your principles by backing state intervention for environmental issues.

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Want to make a difference on climate change as a technologist? Feel free to join these communities actively looking for support and with ongoing projects (that are alive):

- https://climateaction.tech/

- https://techimpactmakers.com/

- https://www.tmrow.com/

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Want to make a difference on climate change as a technologist? Feel free to join these communities actively looking for support and with ongoing projects (that are alive): - https://climateaction.tech/ - https://techimpactmakers.com/ - https://www.tmrow.com/

You should also take political action. With due respect to people who are trying to take positive individual action, it will not be enough. We've been waiting 30 years and people are still driving SUVs. Only large scale government policy can move the needle for an entire society. Maybe you have political views that you find that distasteful, but unfortunately we're running out of time, and you'll have to choose between your politics and your future.

https://www.sunrisemovement.org/

http://rebellion.earth/

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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post #6

I think that it's important for free market advocates, myself included, to understand something. Negative third party externalities, having direct impacts on individuals that did not consent to the responsible transaction(s), are fully within the responsibility of the government to regulate and/or tax. You are not violating your principles by backing state intervention for environmental issues.

Indeed. It’s unfortunate that what was originally a belief in the superiority of capitalism to organize a society to everyone’s benefit has morphed into blind support for existing, large businesses.

The best illustration in recent history are probably the attempts to insulate coal power from competition by renewables. Really makes you wonder if people don’t sometimes look in the mirror and wonder “wait, how did I end up here?”

Re: Antarctic sea ice – rapid decreases, reduced to lowest area in 40 years

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Want to make a difference on climate change as a technologist? Feel free to join these communities actively looking for support and with ongoing projects (that are alive): - https://climateaction.tech/ - https://techimpactmakers.com/ - https://www.tmrow.com/

You should also take political action. With due respect to people who are trying to take positive individual action, it will not be enough. We've been waiting 30 years and people are still driving SUVs. Only large scale government policy can move the needle for an entire society. Maybe you have political views that you find that distasteful, but unfortunately we're running out of time, and you'll have to choose betwe…

Everything will be needed - incl. political action. Not everyone wants to be political, and people should be offered other choices.
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