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Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by pmarreck »

Fnoord wrote: post #216
pmarreck wrote: post #126

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> You'd want to avoid having hatespeech I have zero confidence in automated hatespeech blocking ever since I had comments blocked multiple times for fighting racists with reason (which is, honestly, the only way it will be eliminated, just like it worked against homophobia and interracial marriage... I wonder how long it will take before we realize that if you ban it, you martyr it, and you merely send it off to fest…

> the only way it will be eliminated, just like it worked against homophobia and interracial marriage Homophobia has been eliminated? Since when?

Well, gay marriage has been legalized at least, so that's a start

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by brokenmachine »

floatingatoll wrote: post #239
brokenmachine wrote: post #183

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>it may be that we incorrectly solved a "problem" that turned out to be a feature keeping humanity from harming itself with its own speech OK. Explaining ruins the humor but I'll explain. The pithy point I was making is that a bunch of words on a comment thread is not likely to harm humanity any more than the printing press did. Or the writing on a toilet stall wall for that matter, now that I think about it. The lar…

Should anyone be permitted to skywrite anything they want on the sky? Free speech says “yes”, but if you find a way to stably write sentences on the sky, you will quickly discover that the majority of people do not agree that free speech applies to writing in the sky. There’s a nuance that we as tech haven’t explored properly between “you have the right to speak unhindered by the government” and “you have the right t…

It's a separate website that discusses content on another website. You have to explicitly opt-in by going to a separate site to read it.

It's ridiculous to consider that to be "imposing your speech on an unwilling audience".

Your sky writing argument is also ridiculous as the difference between sky writing and a website should be obvious. The internet is not the real world.

You are being illogical and I'm done explaining.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by brokenkebab »

comntr wrote: post #199
brokenkebab wrote: post #85

Technically the thing is nothing new, the really important questions are those related to real life operation, and I don't see them answered. * Position in regard to censorship, and technical tools to do, or counter it. * Viability/resilience of the server which keeps comments. * Under which jurisdiction it is hosted? * If it depends on a domain name who owns it? * Can a commenter be traced, and by whom? * Can anybod…

(1) The author of this extension shouldn't have any powers to moderate comments. At the moment I can, but this will be fixed. I believe in a fragmented network with different rules about how to moderate content, or don't moderate it at all. (2) No resilience as of today. But it should be a federated network of data servers that exchange with comments. (3) US, if you're asking about this particular server. But it's ju…

Thank you! I think, it worth adding these to readme.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by manigandham »

cachehit wrote: post #59
s9w wrote: post #49

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Well they have to, as it is law. I specifically wrote about legal speech. Extensions like this (or much more popular: dissenter) allows people to exercise that right on sites that limit their free speech.

Don't refer to freedom of speech like something everyone is obliged to provide. That's not what it means. https://xkcd.com/1357/

Freedom of speech is not the same as the 1st Amendment.

You're talking about the latter, which is a constitutional right protected by the government. What people are talking about here is the concept of unrestricted speech, which is a much broader ideal, necessary for a healthy society, and is definitely under ever-increasing pressure as the world moves towards entirely different communication mediums. When most conversation moves online, the lack of public open spaces in that digital environment is a valid cause for concern and definitely deserves discussion.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by Jaruzel »

comntr wrote: post #184
Jaruzel wrote: post #94

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You might be able to do with just a bookmarklet into the algolia search for HN. EDIT: I've just created a proof of concept that works: http://www.jaruzel.com/apps/hnlookup/

So it effectively runs arbitrary javascript in the current page? I mean, if I run it on my online banking page, it'll have access to everything. The extension isn't ideal either - access to the current URL is too much - but at least it can't run arbitrary JS in the page itself.

If you look at the bookmarklet, you'll see that the JS in it only fetches the URL and appends it to an Algolia search query. Nothing is sent to any other server. It's all done in your browser. Hacker News has exactly the same type of bookmarklet on their 'bookmarklet' link at the bottom of every page[1]. Arguably this method is safer than an Extension.

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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/bookmarklet.html

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Post by skrowl »

catacombs wrote: post #161
skrowl wrote: post #80

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Dissenter is pretty great for commenting on things that have heavy-handed censorship, like political YouTube videos. They recently created their own browser (a fork of Brave with all of the BAT sh*tcoin stuff removed) when Google and Firefox both censored their extension and it seems like it's lighter and faster than Chrome, at least in my testing.

> Dissenter is pretty great for commenting on things that have heavy-handed censorship, like political YouTube videos. From what I've seen, Dissenter is just a way for people who "believe in free speech" to use the N words in comments without repercussions.

{anecdote} {statement justifying a ban of free speech here}.

Check out what has happened other times in history when people have applied this type of logic.

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