Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10 • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by emilsedgh » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 7:02 AM UTC

StillBored wrote: post #206

0815test wrote: post #170

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I'll hazard a guess that your Win10 machine on 1GB RAM is swapping plenty. A lightweight Linux distribution can run a reasonable desktop workload (including some web browsing!) on 1GB with zilch swap use, or on as little as 512MB with tolerable use of swap. It's a bit disappointing in a way, but Linux (and not even every Linux distro, for that matter) is the only OS where I can visibly tell that I'm running something…

Well, i'm here to say that if you use a normal linux distro with KDE or Gnome your going to be in the multiple GB's of ram pretty quick. Sure you can have a stripped down linux distro with X/lxde or whatever in under 1GB, but you can also use windows IoT or Core for much the same effect. The problem is that MS (and the mainstream linux DE's) aren't willing to admit that some of the "modernization" they have done over…

That's not really true.

My KDE is running in Also, at least in KDE you can set animation speed to instant and get immediate feedback.

It's super stable, usable and polished.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by earenndil » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 7:31 AM UTC

mr_toad wrote: post #199

earenndil wrote: post #181

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Print ads have worked for centuries. Digital ads with analytics work 1000 times better .

> Digital ads with analytics work 1000 times better. In what way could they possibly work 1000 times (or, ignoring the hyperbole) 10x or even 2x better? They don’t magically grant consumers more money to spend on goods and services. It’s a zero-sum game in which companies compete in advertising budgets, instead of producing better cheaper products.

Print ads are not targeted--they can only be targeted to the text they accompany. This means that the vast majority of their viewers are completely uninterested in the ad, while a viewer who might be interested in an ad that shows in another print item, does not see that ad because they do not subscribe to that print item. Digitization allows for ads to be switched on-the-fly, so no matter that media you consume, you see ads relevant to you. This vastly increases the success rate of the ads. It doesn't seem like much, because even targeted ads have an incredibly low success rate, but there's a huge difference between 0.0001% and 0.01%.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by anticensor » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 7:36 AM UTC

gmueckl wrote: post #137

anticensor wrote: post #71

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They could have made a partial machine translator to convert to the modern control panel and an API wrapper for runtime compatibility in the interim.

How would you automatically translate hand-layouted dialogs (originally even manually adjusted for localizations where required) into a completely different layout and design language? Never mind the few dialogs that do custom controls and custom rendering (joystick test and joystick calibration, for example). In plain Win32, that stuff is often part of the window repaint event handler and not encapsulated in a way t…

Translator would search for all non-draw calls (like a JVM coverage tester) and place them accordingly in the translated control flow. Layout would be translated by capturing draw calls using an off-screen rendering.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by agumonkey » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 7:44 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #201

agumonkey wrote: post #161

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Of all the stuff crammed automatically on Windows 10 install .. they can't be serious about saving space. I had to powershell candycrush off the drive for god's sake.

The candycrush install trigger is annoying but mere KB, it's not disk space bloat.

I'm not sure it's always the case. They were accounted for hundreds of MB. Removing them (many games) increased free space.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by f4stjack » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 7:49 AM UTC

Yeah considering May 2019 iso takes 26.6 gigabytes post install and updates I'm having a hard time believing this excuse. This is a system with no additional tools by the way, no python, no office, no nothing. Just straight up windows install -> check updates & wait.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 8:01 AM UTC

nightski wrote: post #130

peterangular wrote: post #16

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Agree on the 50-100MB being minuscule. I don't even provision a Windows VM without 60G worth of space due to how bad it is on cleaning itself up/bloat. I wasn't even able to install Windows 7 a few months ago due to the WinSxS folder continuously bloating to fill the disk (stock on a T440p - super weird issues). It's almost as if they broke new-install update cycles on Win7 on purpose =/ My question is why the hell w…

That sounds like something was seriously wrong with your install. I am on a desktop running windows 10 since its release on which I use daily and install a lot of software - and the windows folder is sitting at 12 GB.

Two of the worst offenders - the swap and hibernation files - don't live in the Windows folder.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 8:04 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #165

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #113

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Those machines are already mostly unusable under Windows because MS only requires 2GiB minimum so it's an instant swapfest to eMMC. Put Linux on them and they're quite nice.

I disagree - I have one with a quad core atom, 1GB of ram(!!!) And latest windows 10 1903 edition runs very nicely on it if you stick to the built-in apps. I usually have it next to my main PC as an additional monitor with the wireless projector functionality .

Windows 10 runs very nicely... If you only want to use the machine as an external monitor? Respectfully, this doesn't seem like a very realistic use case for most people.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 8:06 AM UTC

earenndil wrote: post #181

jrockway wrote: post #177

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> How does the advertiser know they're not being ripped off, reaching their target demo, etc. The same way print ads have worked for ... centuries?

Print ads have worked for centuries. Digital ads with analytics work 1000 times better .

> Digital ads with analytics work 1000 times better.

Have you compared the ROI between the two? Why would anyone bother with print ads at all if this was the case?

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 8:09 AM UTC

earenndil wrote: post #232

mr_toad wrote: post #199

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> Digital ads with analytics work 1000 times better. In what way could they possibly work 1000 times (or, ignoring the hyperbole) 10x or even 2x better? They don’t magically grant consumers more money to spend on goods and services. It’s a zero-sum game in which companies compete in advertising budgets, instead of producing better cheaper products.

Print ads are not targeted--they can only be targeted to the text they accompany. This means that the vast majority of their viewers are completely uninterested in the ad, while a viewer who might be interested in an ad that shows in another print item, does not see that ad because they do not subscribe to that print item. Digitization allows for ads to be switched on-the-fly, so no matter that media you consume, you…

> Print ads are not targeted--they can only be targeted to the text they accompany. This means that the vast majority of their viewers are completely uninterested in the ad

So if I'm reading a review of a new car for example, and there's a full page ad for the new Ford Focus alongside it, I'm not going to be interested? Seems more relevant than constantly being bombarded with ads for mattresses after buying one 6 months ago.

Re: Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10

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Post by will4274 » Tue, Jul 02, 2019, 8:10 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #202

will4274 wrote: post #186

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> Duplicate menus for the same thing adds an extra mental burden. I think you'd see that Microsoft gets this. Win8 was all dupes. Initial Win10 release removed most of the dupes and they've removed more with each Win10 release. The strategy is pretty clear - incremental rewrite based on what people use.

They've been removing things? The last change I noticed was the addition of a new duplicate control panel for sound.

The TPM menu - if the legacy UX is still around, I can't find it on the latest Win10.

Looking through the deprecation notes, it looks like some language settings were de-duped in a 10 update https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning....

It's slow work. Microsoft has gotten more aggressive about change compared to ten years ago, but they are still very conservative. Users don't like it when the UX changes.