Japan resumes commercial whaling after 30 years

Post by sithadmin » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

cygx wrote: post #95

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>That mismatch requires justification. Only when looking through the lens of fringe ideologies. The overwhelming majority of humans don't subscribe to moral ideologies that ascribe equivalent moral standing to humans and nonhuman animals.

It also took quite a while for people to come up with the concept of universal human rights, we're still bad at overcoming tribalism, and basing morality on majority vote isn't necessarily the best idea. That aside, you're right that I also do not assign equal moral standing to humans and nonhumans. However, that does not mean that the same arguments that make me reject culling humans don't also apply to other animal…

Post by dang » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:07 PM UTC

sabertoothed wrote: post #3

Shame on you, Japanese government. Shame on you.

Post by dang » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:09 PM UTC

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Post by cygx » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 10:14 PM UTC

sithadmin wrote: post #101

cygx wrote: post #95

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It also took quite a while for people to come up with the concept of universal human rights, we're still bad at overcoming tribalism, and basing morality on majority vote isn't necessarily the best idea. That aside, you're right that I also do not assign equal moral standing to humans and nonhumans. However, that does not mean that the same arguments that make me reject culling humans don't also apply to other animal…

>basing morality on majority vote isn't necessarily the best idea It isn't an idea; it's a reality. Establishing any sort of standard for moral behavior is necessarily an exercise in consensus-building.

Post by JadeNB » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 11:39 PM UTC

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That another country is also evil doesn't make what Japan is doing any better. They both need to stop. There is increasing evidence that whales have a huge role in climate change. Their poop feeds plankton which in turn absorbs carbon. And their physical bodies when they die sink, moving significant amounts of carbon to the bottom where is stays in that ecosystem far away from the atmosphere. If the Japanese and Norw…

> That another country is also evil doesn't make what Japan is doing any better. For ease of reference, the non-Latinate name for this flavour of the tu quoque fallacy seems to be 'whataboutism' ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ).