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Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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I think the cortex is attractive to AI research because its highly uniform micro-anatomy suggests there is a simple algorithm behind general intelligence to be found within. While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. Additionally, animals lacking a cortex, like birds, are still capable of many intelligent behaviours typically…

> While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally.

We understand the limbic system to process motivation and emotion; could the limbic system's activation during cognition not be "explained away" by it being recruited to process the emotional or motivational aspects of sensory or memory data? (Just like how there is visual cortex recruitment when using visual imagination, etc.)

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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Is there a transcript somewhere? (It's 2 hours 9 minutes)

you can increase playback speed. 1.1..1.25x speed is usually OK in terms of ability to understand the speech while saving several percent in time. Sure, the transcript would probably require significantly less time to read and is my usual preferred way to consume content, but when none is available the faster playback allows for saving at least a fraction of time.

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a choice (that is, it can probably be ignored, if we don't like it). I'm not sure why people think (negative forms of) AI are in some way inevitable. A lot of people are already afraid of losing their jobs right now, where we can't even fathom the basics of intelligence. I don't think humanity would just let some of the negative forms of AI we all seem so afraid of happen.

"I don't think humanity would just let some of the negative forms of AI we all seem so afraid of happen." Government and corporations are the ones who will make that call. Government = Wolf Corporation = Fox Average Joe = Sheep Most of the sheep are protected by a cage; it takes a lot of mental power to operate in the increasingly technical world we've created. Solve AI and you've removed that cage. Sure we'll still…

I'd modify your metaphor slightly:

Government = The farmer

AI = Plant-based diet

Naively, everyone eating a plant-based diet is great for sheep, but it's hard to imagine a world where the farmer still feeds them.

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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Does someone have links to written variants of this material rather than a podcast? No offense if you like podcasts but I just don't have time for them even at 2x speed. they're just too slow and disorganized.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncir.2018.0012...

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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Does someone have links to written variants of this material rather than a podcast? No offense if you like podcasts but I just don't have time for them even at 2x speed. they're just too slow and disorganized.

This looks relevant: https://numenta.com/blog/2019/01/16/the-thousand-brains-theo...

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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post #41
post #31

I think the cortex is attractive to AI research because its highly uniform micro-anatomy suggests there is a simple algorithm behind general intelligence to be found within. While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. Additionally, animals lacking a cortex, like birds, are still capable of many intelligent behaviours typically…

> While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. We understand the limbic system to process motivation and emotion; could the limbic system's activation during cognition not be "explained away" by it being recruited to process the emotional or motivational aspects of sensory or memory data? (Just like how there is visual cortex r…

It's important to recognize that the cortex is a relatively late addition to the structure of the brain. Brains have been learning about the world and how to behave appropriately long before some mammals developed such a large region here. It's much more likely that the core functionality to be an autonomous agent in the world is encoded in the limbic system (e.g. basal ganglia, hypothalamus, mid brain and brain stem regions).

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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post #31

I think the cortex is attractive to AI research because its highly uniform micro-anatomy suggests there is a simple algorithm behind general intelligence to be found within. While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. Additionally, animals lacking a cortex, like birds, are still capable of many intelligent behaviours typically…

> While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. We understand the limbic system to process motivation and emotion; could the limbic system's activation during cognition not be "explained away" by it being recruited to process the emotional or motivational aspects of sensory or memory data? (Just like how there is visual cortex r…

You're ignoring a lot of its function. The hippocampus (within the limbic system) is necessary for long-term memory. If your hippocampi are removed, you still act more of less the same, but you can't remember new events or make semantic memories. Attention is also an important function of the limbic system.

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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I have a metric ton of respect for Jeff and his team.

However, I do think that they did not go far enough in figuring out the computational capabilities of individual pyramidal neurons, which IMO is the foundation to figuring out how the neocortex works. I wrote a short book about that once - if anyone's interested, check it out, it's free and meant to be readable for AI/neuroscience enthusiasts:

http://www.corticalcircuitry.com/

Re: Jeff Hawkins: Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence [video]

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While intelligent behaviours appear to reside in the cortex, the limbic system is heavily involved in learning and cognition generally. We understand the limbic system to process motivation and emotion; could the limbic system's activation during cognition not be "explained away" by it being recruited to process the emotional or motivational aspects of sensory or memory data? (Just like how there is visual cortex r…

It's important to recognize that the cortex is a relatively late addition to the structure of the brain. Brains have been learning about the world and how to behave appropriately long before some mammals developed such a large region here. It's much more likely that the core functionality to be an autonomous agent in the world is encoded in the limbic system (e.g. basal ganglia, hypothalamus, mid brain and brain stem…

Certainly those regions are doing something in humans; and certainly those regions had those functions in species without a cortex. But the implication that these regions' presence in the human brain implies they're the ultimate arbiter of the same functionality there, isn't guaranteed to be true.

Brains really do use "subsumption" (in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsumption_architecture sense) to accomplish various features; there are motor signals that some earlier-evolved part of the brain would be emitting if they were the only thing "online" in the brain, that are actively suppressed or "overridden" by another, later-evolved part of the brain, often a part that only "comes online" later in brain development. (Thus "early instincts" that disappear during development, like the infant diving reflex.) Often, these subsumed neural processes reappear when the region suppressing them is damaged, as in the normally-suppressed human lordosis reflex, or the normally-suppressed-after-infancy suckling reflex in most mammals.

There's no evidence that I know of that the limbic system and the cortex are in this sort of relationship; I'm just saying that this kind of relationship isn't unprecedented as a thing human brains do.

If such a relationship were to exist between the cortex and the limbic system, then both regions could be said to be "in charge" of cognition; sort of like a television tuner and a VCR can both be in charge of the image being displayed. One state machine (the TV; the cortex), passing input through to another state machine (the VCR; the limbic system) only in some subset of its states (the right "channel"; the right arousal state.)

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