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The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Note that Montana and North Dakota, which provide most of the mileage of the route, each have just one congressional district.

I guess you are right. But those 7 stops in ND, and 12 in MT, are there really enough people there to justify those stations? Maybe have an 'express' and a regular train?

I don't know about this route in particular, but Amtrak generally runs on freight lines. It's quite possible that the time lost to stopping to pick up a couple passengers is dwarfed by the time spent sitting on a siding waiting for freight trains to pass (I've spent many hours of my life here).

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Then problem of price still remains before wide popularity for sleepers or even just long daytrips. I'd love to use trains more often, but I'm not willing to pay through the nose. A trip in Central Europe I recently booked would've been over twice the price with a train, with maybe a couple of hours longer travel time when accounting for airport trips and waiting. Second class, just a daytime journey without sleeping…

The EU should force a carbon tax on plane fuel for intra-EU flights and subsidize rail with the money.

Or just add the same taxes to airplane fuel as is done for fuel used for ground transportation.

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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One high-level design choice that they made is to entirely skip any kind of in-seat entertainment and screens and instead of plan around people showing up with their own tablets and phones (to which they provide power). This makes immense sense to me and I'm sure simplifies things on their side.

Agreed. Southwest Airlines does this in the US, with "free" wifi access to their entertainment app/portal. I much prefer it to the often terrible seat-back screens on some other carriers.

Same with certain United flights. Stream movies onto your own phone from the plane's WiFi.

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Looks very nice, but I don't like the table design. The extensions that pull out look like they don't provide a continuous level surface, which would just be a pain to use. Amtrak (at least the cars on the Acela Express) has a much better design where each side of the table flips up when you want to enter or exit the seat. It doesn't look quite as nice when folded up, but it is much more functional.

https://www.amtrak.com/content/dam/projects/dotcom/english/p...

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Having travelled a couple of times on overnight trains from Austria to other European cities, these sleeping pods look marginally a larger improvement. - Tempeature: Having slept in a cabin where the aircon blasts from the bottom into those sleeping there, they inevitably have to turn it off to sleep, leaving those on the top bunks at temperatures of over 40C in the summer. - Noise/Privacy: In the 4-bunk cabins, I do…

trains longer than the station would double the time at each stop. that's not acceptable. but also, most stations are not designed to have trains longer than the station. a station usually has more platforms than the two rails that feed it. an overlong train would frequently block other trains coming in at other platforms.

the only thing that would work is to have two trains on the same route in a short delay from each other. say half an hour.

however, for all of this the real problem is cost. i believe germany dropped all overnight trains because they weren't getting used enough compared to high-speed trains. it's interesting that austria bought them, but i guess with austrias lack of high-speed trains, overnight trains are still useful.

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then problem of price still remains before wide popularity for sleepers or even just long daytrips. I'd love to use trains more often, but I'm not willing to pay through the nose. A trip in Central Europe I recently booked would've been over twice the price with a train, with maybe a couple of hours longer travel time when accounting for airport trips and waiting. Second class, just a daytime journey without sleeping…

The EU should force a carbon tax on plane fuel for intra-EU flights and subsidize rail with the money.

The saddest part of this statement is that the European rail system is MASSIVELY subsidized even at the price points that the person you responded to described as "paying out the nose", which of course is a somewhat subjective position for a European to say, because their already lower salaries are massively taxed and to pay for the subsidized rail systems the gleeful Americans can gush about being so cheap when they return to the USA and demand socialism.

I'll take Austin's local light rail train as an example to illustrate what I mean. I once looked into the finances and financing sources to get the system stood up, and I worked out that it would be around a $30-$35 trip from one end in the middle of the city to the outskirts of Austin's Leander township if the actual cost of the system were paid for by the rider.

It is immensely deceptive and rather dumb that these realities are simply ignored, especially by seemingly otherwise rather intelligent people that congregate here.

At the very least, there should not only be the direct cost per ticket if it were not heavily subsidized by taxes of Europeans, which non-Europeans should have to pay, and the price that is subsidized that Europeans pay. It is really rather immensely immoral to ride on the train at a cost that is heavily subsidized by wildly immoral tax levels (e.g., 100% on gasoline, 20% on sales of goods, ~35% of income that is also 70% of what it is in places like the USA).

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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Those trains look nice, but at the same time pretty cramped and uncomfortable to me. I wonder if its just the photos, but the seats look to straight with not much legroom and the sleeper compartments seem really tiny.

And the photos attached are primarily first-class seats too. I found it odd having two seats next to each other without an armrest or gap in-between. I would not want a stranger next to me without that space/divider.

There are arm rests between the seats if you look closely in the first few pictures. It seems like you have to pull them up from the seat bottom.

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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I recently took a train from Seattle to Portland with my family. One difference compared to flying that it took me a while to realize was how amazingly quiet it is.

On a plane, the engines are right there out on the wing screaming and conducting that sound directly into the airframe next to you. With a train, the engine is way up front, hundreds of yards a way, separated by several linkages.

The end result is that a train car is as quiet as a coffee shop. I love it.

Re: The New Austrian Railways' Intercity and Nightjet Sleeper Train Interior Design

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post #62

One high-level design choice that they made is to entirely skip any kind of in-seat entertainment and screens and instead of plan around people showing up with their own tablets and phones (to which they provide power). This makes immense sense to me and I'm sure simplifies things on their side.

I have never seen a train with in seat entertainment (other than looking out the window!). Is that even a thing?

It used to be a thing. https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/end-of-volo-tv-on-fgw-h...
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