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Japan resumes commercial whaling after 30 years

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Faroe Islands and Norway catch more whales than Japan [1] but for some reason don't receive nearly the same level of outrage. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Whales_Nordic.png

The outrage is that they're whaling in a conservation area in the Southern Ocean. The other reason is other countries have determined their "scientific" whaling has no actual scientific basis:

Japan is not the only nation to hunt whales. Norway has a commercial operation in its own waters, for example. But what infuriates conservationists is that Japan is hunting and killing whales in a conservation zone, the Southern Ocean whaling sanctuary, that surrounds Antarctica. Japan claims that it does so only for scientific purposes.

Then, a few years ago, the International Court of Justice – at the instigation of Australia and New Zealand – ruled that the country’s whaling plan had no scientific basis. Japan was forced to halt whale hunting and had to come back with a plan to carry out “scientific whaling” in the region. This now involves catching only 330 minkes, and no humpbacks or fin whales. It was an important victory for conservationists.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/23/sea-shep...

Re: Japan resumes commercial whaling after 30 years

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"My heart is overflowing with happiness, and I'm deeply moved," said Yoshifumi Kai, head of the Japan Small-Type Whaling Association. "People have hunted whales for more than 400 years in my hometown."- Just because something has long-standing traditions, doesn't mean that should be continued. We used to burn people for witchcraft and did so for a long time.

> We used to burn people for witchcraft and did so for a long time.

Maybe it's just time that we resume that practice.

Re: Japan resumes commercial whaling after 30 years

#23
"A stove boat or a dead whale." ― Herman Melville

This should be the bargain. If you are going to hunt whales, the whales should have a chance to hunt you back. Require the use of oar powered wooden whaleboats, hand thrown harpoons, manila ropes. There is no sportsmanship in the way the japanese do it now.

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post #11

I see nothing wrong with sustainably farming whales like any other animal. Certain species have been endangered and those should be protected, but responsible consumption of traditional foods is an important way to preserve culture.

Whale hunting is not sustainable. They are animals that live very long lives, and reproduce very slowly.

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post #8

What can the Whaling Association do about it? They have any power what so ever? something like EU and Brexit?

From what I’ve read, they have vastly less power than the EU. But it is similar in the sense that you are always allowed to leave at any time. Unlike Brexit, I don’t think there’s any significant tidying up or trade relations involved.

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post #11

I see nothing wrong with sustainably farming whales like any other animal. Certain species have been endangered and those should be protected, but responsible consumption of traditional foods is an important way to preserve culture.

We, as a species, are also any other animal.

At the moment, there's very little we can tell about the exact make up of their intelligence.

Imagine, with your current intelligence, growing up in a world where you can move in three dimensions which has poor visibility but carries sounds very well. There are no fixed spots, so there is no "here". You also have no opposable thumbs, so you will never create tools or written records.

Now imagine that evolving over eons and generation upon generation: you might end up with a world view, a culture, and thought process that is complete alien.

What we observe as whale-songs might simply be them re-telling their Edda in an Ent-like fashion. We might be inadvertently hunting members of a species that is intellectually equal to ours, but too alien to understand.

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"My heart is overflowing with happiness, and I'm deeply moved," said Yoshifumi Kai, head of the Japan Small-Type Whaling Association. "People have hunted whales for more than 400 years in my hometown."- Just because something has long-standing traditions, doesn't mean that should be continued. We used to burn people for witchcraft and did so for a long time.

no better idea let them be subjected to hearing the whale scream in agony during the killing on autorepeat

Re: Japan resumes commercial whaling after 30 years

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post #10

Faroe Islands and Norway catch more whales than Japan [1] but for some reason don't receive nearly the same level of outrage. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Whales_Nordic.png

What I don’t get is that Minkes are not endangered (least concern), so I might go along with that, so why do they also target Brydes and Sei which don’t have healthy populations? That’s a bad move that will serve to embolden (rightly) people who are against whaling.
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