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'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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post #9

>A million-plus for a home with $300,000 down? Then when we have kids, $30,000 a year for private school? This quote totally confounded me. Why is it a given that their kids have to go to private school? If you're optimizing your budget for home-ownership, why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for?

> why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for? Because thanks to massive underfunding US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. In some areas children actually only have four days of school because of underfunding ( http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-school-switches-to-four-da... ).

Is that so bad? Schooling is a waste of time anyway, this way kids have more free time and they can enjoy their childhood and learn some new skills on their own.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

#32
post #7

I find it amazing that "locals" can get away with blaming "tech workers" for rising rents and homelessness. The rents and the house prices only rise because the wealth that the workers generate is blocked from being used to build new houses.

But why? Why isn't all that wealth being used to make the city more livable? More affordable for the poor? More diverse?

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for? Because thanks to massive underfunding US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. In some areas children actually only have four days of school because of underfunding ( http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-school-switches-to-four-da... ).

> US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. As a European, I slowly wonder if there's any public service in the US that meets the "first-world country" standard. Not education. Certainly not healthcare. Infrastructure is also crumbling from what I hear.

I'm not sure there is, really. Having moved to Europe I do miss the libraries in the US, but that was in pretty wealthy areas (Santa Monica, San Diego, etc.)

But the private services can be top notch if you've got the cash.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

#34
post #9

>A million-plus for a home with $300,000 down? Then when we have kids, $30,000 a year for private school? This quote totally confounded me. Why is it a given that their kids have to go to private school? If you're optimizing your budget for home-ownership, why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for?

> why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for? Because thanks to massive underfunding US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. In some areas children actually only have four days of school because of underfunding ( http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-school-switches-to-four-da... ).

The problem is not because schools are underfunded. We pay more per student then many countries that test higher.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. As a European, I slowly wonder if there's any public service in the US that meets the "first-world country" standard. Not education. Certainly not healthcare. Infrastructure is also crumbling from what I hear.

US is the best if you are rich, you can get almost everything here not same in Europe.

This is also true for many third-world countries, and for that matter most of Europe. It isn't evidence of much, really.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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post #32
post #7

I find it amazing that "locals" can get away with blaming "tech workers" for rising rents and homelessness. The rents and the house prices only rise because the wealth that the workers generate is blocked from being used to build new houses.

But why? Why isn't all that wealth being used to make the city more livable? More affordable for the poor? More diverse?

Because making it more affordable to the poor means increasing the housing supply, which means reducing the price of homes, which existing homeowners hate.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

#37
post #6

Why is it that despite high housing prices everywhere in the tech region, homelessness appears acutely concentrated in SF?

Services for homeless people (housing, drug treatment, mental health, employment, etc etc) tend to be concentrated in cities.

As of July 2019, there is no know way that cures drug addition with even moderate degrees of success. Indeed, even the very definition of addiction is still controversial. From [1]: "[D]efining addiction is not an easy task and still represents a considerable source of scholarly dispute. The term addiction has been and it is still used in at least three different ways. [(i) I]t is used as a lay term, which entered the English language in the late sixteenth century (maybe owing to Shakespeare) to indicate inclination or proclivity for certain habits or activities, in both its positive and negative connotations, including excessive drinking and smoking. [(ii)]Since the late nineteenth century, addiction is also used as a medical term to indicate pathological, compulsive drug use [...] [(iii) A]ddiction is used as a psychological construct to indicate a compulsive motivational drive [...] Instances of all three meanings abound in the scholarly literature, sometimes within the same paper."

OTOH, drug dealers, too, obtain economies of scale by concentrating drug users in close physical proximity (and vice versa). It seems to be plausible to assume that the easy availability of drugs is itself causally contributing to drug use and drug addiction.

[1] A. Badiani, Is a 'general' theory of addiction possible? A commentary on: a multistep general theory of transition to addiction. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24888430

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for? Because thanks to massive underfunding US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. In some areas children actually only have four days of school because of underfunding ( http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-school-switches-to-four-da... ).

Is that so bad? Schooling is a waste of time anyway, this way kids have more free time and they can enjoy their childhood and learn some new skills on their own.

I generally agree with the "school is a waste of time" sentiment, except that it does mean an additional burden for parents who now have to deal with carers for their kid during the work week.

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

#39
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US is the best if you are rich, you can get almost everything here not same in Europe.

According to the article, even the rich are complaining.

Then they're obviously not rich enough /s

Re: 'We all suffer': why San Francisco techies hate the city they transformed

#40
post #9

>A million-plus for a home with $300,000 down? Then when we have kids, $30,000 a year for private school? This quote totally confounded me. Why is it a given that their kids have to go to private school? If you're optimizing your budget for home-ownership, why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for?

> why not just send your kids to the schools your taxes are paying for? Because thanks to massive underfunding US public education is ... not exactly what one can expect from a first world country. In some areas children actually only have four days of school because of underfunding ( http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-school-switches-to-four-da... ).

Your comment is indicative of the core problem, apparent total insanity. Reality is that the very last thing American schools lack is funding, considering that the USA spends more money on education than any other country in the world and by a great margin, while achieving really poor outcomes. (Do your own research on sources, it will help you inform yourself)

The real reason for the poor performance of our schools is the authoritarian disintegration and disassembly of American society by having both enabled and defended degenerate behaviors that disrupt teaching because terroristic children sabotage the education of children who want to learn, and because American society that was unified and had common interests and was focused has been flooded it with foreigners that are not only disparate, but they are draining and sabotaging the system because of the divisions they cause through so many different friction points that it’s not even worth starting to list them all. Reality also is that, just like the article we are discussing, nobody can acknowledge or even really understand, let alone accept the consequences of this division that was caused by force, imposed, and against the will of the American people, who have foolishly, even if generously simply accepted the authoritarian abuse of their generosity.

Americans that built the very country that the freeloading people of the world are flooding into and who are being given preferential treatment over the descendants and carriers of the very values that produced what we all have in the very first place. It’s an utter self-destructive process akin to drug addiction that feels great and fun when things are still under control even though you are burning through your savings to fund your addiction that you are so far into you can’t even recognize it. Reality is though, that the consequences are accumulating, regardless of whether you can or want to even acknowledge them, let alone do something about them, and the crash and destruction is inevitable as the drug is used by your drug dealer to exploit and destroy you. So are our schools suffering from advanced addiction to division and fracturing that was brought on by the authoritarian and despotic “diversity” cult. You will see the consequences unfold in Europe just as much as they have in the USA as their division has been increased by force over the last decades, and so will also their mythologized efficient and effective quality education system. Because in the end, the biggest and most important question is how such systematic thinking people like programmers could not realize the massive technical debt of a divided and fractured and pollute code base that was simply “diversified” with every single useless library and language and process one can think of, in a bout of insanity by believing diversity is good when the clear evidence is that unity and similarity and focus and specialization are all not only good, but quite literally produced every single thing all around us even if now deliberate inefficiencies are introduced as a good thing.

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