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Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by MartinCron »

grantheaslip wrote: post #36

I know that this comment section isn't supposed to be about the church itself, but I can't help but be baffled by the way people are able to separate analyzing SEO optimization from the fact that the church itself is a fundamentally terrible organization. The church is full of racist scripture, institutionalized sexism, and dangerous sexual repression; and has been a major proponent of denying rights to gays. As long…

I don't necessarily think you're trolling, but I totally understand why you're being downvoted.

Being able to compartmentalize and analyze different facets of something is (I think) an important intellectual tool. Example: I can enjoy Richard Wagner's music even though he was a demonstrably terrible person.

I'm not an LDS, and I don't like some of the things that the church does, but I can still appreciate the things they do well.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by bry »

grantheaslip wrote: post #39
bry wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay on topic and take your trolling elsewhere

Comment threads on HN aren't always about exactly what the article was about. I tend to see the article as a conversation starter, not a rigid, immutable topic. Sure, some people might disagree with what I wrote, but I don't think expressing a thought I had while reading the comments that isn't precisely about the article counts as trolling. Your opinion may differ.

No doubt. That's the whole point of HN: Intelligent discussion. Your comments, however, are SO off-topic (SEO and how an organization like theirs has done so well at it) that it comes across as trolling.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by benatkin »

grantheaslip wrote: post #39
bry wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay on topic and take your trolling elsewhere

Comment threads on HN aren't always about exactly what the article was about. I tend to see the article as a conversation starter, not a rigid, immutable topic. Sure, some people might disagree with what I wrote, but I don't think expressing a thought I had while reading the comments that isn't precisely about the article counts as trolling. Your opinion may differ.

Please don't use HN the way you like to see it used.

Please follow the guidelines instead.

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The first two words of the "In Comments" section covers this thread.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by grantheaslip »

MartinCron wrote: post #41
grantheaslip wrote: post #36

I know that this comment section isn't supposed to be about the church itself, but I can't help but be baffled by the way people are able to separate analyzing SEO optimization from the fact that the church itself is a fundamentally terrible organization. The church is full of racist scripture, institutionalized sexism, and dangerous sexual repression; and has been a major proponent of denying rights to gays. As long…

I don't necessarily think you're trolling, but I totally understand why you're being downvoted. Being able to compartmentalize and analyze different facets of something is (I think) an important intellectual tool. Example: I can enjoy Richard Wagner's music even though he was a demonstrably terrible person. I'm not an LDS, and I don't like some of the things that the church does, but I can still appreciate the things…

I definitely see what you're saying, and that's a very good analogy. I guess the difference for me is that Wagner's music and anti-semitism were two mostly separate things -- his music wasn't being used to promote his prejudices. On the other hand, the LDS's SEO, by its very purpose, is promoting their ideology.

I just find this casual discussion about the self-promotion of a group which at its very core believes that friends of mine are inferior, sinful, damaged goods because of the way that they were born a bit upsetting. Even if SEO practise is a separate topic from their scripture, I think that this kind of discussion attributes to them an undeserved level of legitimacy.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by bry »

benatkin wrote: post #43
grantheaslip wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comment threads on HN aren't always about exactly what the article was about. I tend to see the article as a conversation starter, not a rigid, immutable topic. Sure, some people might disagree with what I wrote, but I don't think expressing a thought I had while reading the comments that isn't precisely about the article counts as trolling. Your opinion may differ.

Please don't use HN the way you like to see it used. Please follow the guidelines instead. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The first two words of the "In Comments" section covers this thread.

Good point. Also, "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." (e.g. religion)

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by grantheaslip »

benatkin wrote: post #43
grantheaslip wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comment threads on HN aren't always about exactly what the article was about. I tend to see the article as a conversation starter, not a rigid, immutable topic. Sure, some people might disagree with what I wrote, but I don't think expressing a thought I had while reading the comments that isn't precisely about the article counts as trolling. Your opinion may differ.

Please don't use HN the way you like to see it used. Please follow the guidelines instead. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The first two words of the "In Comments" section covers this thread.

On the same line: "Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation."

I might not word it quite as nicely, but this is stuff that I would say face-to-face. I'm not really an abrasive person when it comes to most topics, but there are certain things which I have absolutely no patience for, and the LDS is one of them. Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case for respect in my mind. Civility has its limits, and doesn't mean that we're never allowed to express negative opinions (sometimes using strong language) toward anything.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by nlco »

grantheaslip wrote: post #46
benatkin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't use HN the way you like to see it used. Please follow the guidelines instead. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The first two words of the "In Comments" section covers this thread.

On the same line: "Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." I might not word it quite as nicely, but this is stuff that I would say face-to-face. I'm not really an abrasive person when it comes to most topics, but there are certain things which I have absolutely no patience for, and the LDS is one of them. Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case…

"Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case for respect in my mind."

It's a good thing the LDS don't believe that. They have actively come out to defend against gay harassment. The injustice to blacks was fixed back when slavery was abolished. Men are taught to cherish and respect women, not that they are inferior. Stop your trolling.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by grantheaslip »

nlco wrote: post #47
grantheaslip wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the same line: "Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." I might not word it quite as nicely, but this is stuff that I would say face-to-face. I'm not really an abrasive person when it comes to most topics, but there are certain things which I have absolutely no patience for, and the LDS is one of them. Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case…

"Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case for respect in my mind." It's a good thing the LDS don't believe that. They have actively come out to defend against gay harassment. The injustice to blacks was fixed back when slavery was abolished. Men are taught to cherish and respect women, not that they are inferior. Stop your trolling.

As far as I'm concerned, in any country with a separation of church and state, any group that opposes the ability of gays to marry is no friend of the gay community. They may have made some token gestures, but that doesn't change their core thoughts on gays, which is that the way they are is unnatural, and must be fixed. As long as they see being gay as a disease, and not a natural tendency, they're homophobic.

Their scripture is still full of outright, undeniable racism, and they consider the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. That's all the proof I need. They may have eased back on public racism, but for them to disavow their religion's racism would be to disavow their church entirely.

Mormon men may be taught to respect women, but women are taught that they should more-or-less stay at home and make babies, and for most of the community, if a women gets past her early twenties and isn't a housewife, it's seen as a failure. I consider that sexism.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by babalicious »

nlco wrote: post #47
grantheaslip wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the same line: "Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation." I might not word it quite as nicely, but this is stuff that I would say face-to-face. I'm not really an abrasive person when it comes to most topics, but there are certain things which I have absolutely no patience for, and the LDS is one of them. Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case…

"Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case for respect in my mind." It's a good thing the LDS don't believe that. They have actively come out to defend against gay harassment. The injustice to blacks was fixed back when slavery was abolished. Men are taught to cherish and respect women, not that they are inferior. Stop your trolling.

Please stop your own trolling - or should we just call it for what it is: lying.

Women are treated as inferiors in the LDS church. Polygamy would have continued for generations without the intervention of the federal government. The LDS church spends millions of dollars to support continued discrimination against gays.

Until 1978 blacks could not hold the priesthood in the LDS church. Some quotes from the "Book of Mormon": 2 Nephi 5:21-23:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

"And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities."

"And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done."

"And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."

3 Nephi 2:15 reads:

"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

Mormon leader ("Elder") Mark E Peterson:

"The reason that one would lose his blessings by marrying a Negro is due to the restriction placed upon them. 'No person having the least particle of Negro blood can hold the Priesthood' (Brigham Young). It does not matter if they are one-sixth Negro or one-hundred and sixth, the curse of no Priesthood is the same. If an individual who is entitled to the Priesthood marries a Negro, the Lord has decreed that only spirits who are not eligible for the Priesthood will come to that marriage as children. To intermarry with a Negro is to forfeit a 'Nation of Priesthood holders'...."

"If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

Etc etc.

Notwithstanding the cowardly, brain-dead, head-in-the-sand intellectual compartmentalization others are advocating here, I doubt any of us would be commending the SEO efforts of other organizations that have the kind of sordid history and unfortunate social passions the LDS church has had...and isn't shy about paying for.

Re: Mormon Church website a good example of SEO

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Post by bry »

babalicious wrote: post #49
nlco wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Any group which sees gays, blacks, and women as fundamentally inferior loses its case for respect in my mind." It's a good thing the LDS don't believe that. They have actively come out to defend against gay harassment. The injustice to blacks was fixed back when slavery was abolished. Men are taught to cherish and respect women, not that they are inferior. Stop your trolling.

Please stop your own trolling - or should we just call it for what it is: lying. Women are treated as inferiors in the LDS church. Polygamy would have continued for generations without the intervention of the federal government. The LDS church spends millions of dollars to support continued discrimination against gays. Until 1978 blacks could not hold the priesthood in the LDS church. Some quotes from the "Book of Mo…

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