On Azure, a Windows VM instance tends to cost about 50% more than the equivalent instance running Linux,so it is a no brainer to use Linux if your application is operation system independent.
Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#52I'm surprised it took this long. With Linux support for .NET and SQL Server, there is zero reason to host anything new on Windows now (of course legacy enterprise software is another story). I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Server is fully EOL'd in a few years.
I think you underestimate how slowly things move in some places. There are still shops running COBOL on mainframes. Windows is going to have a place on servers for decades to come.
With .NET 5, Windows to Linux migrations are going to become faster.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> to replace Windows Server outright Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money?
> Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money? Because they can make just as much money licensing versions of SQL Server et al for Linux or selling Linux cloud instances, not have to spend any more money developing a separate server OS, and make their customers happy because they can have Active Directory without Windows Update.
Windows Server is based on Windows Desktop, even the teams they kinda unified a while ago. Is not like they spend that many money directly on Windows Server.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is an entire parallel community of business IT, basically unknown and unintelligible to the Silicon Valley community, where the Microsoft server-side stack is as obvious a choice as Linux is in our world. You may even have some of it in your company. It's really amusing (and dysfunctional) when our projects require "Eng" and "Corp IT" to cooperate. We're both ostensibly computer professionals who select, write,…
Like 10 years ago, I thought it was great when we garnered a client which was one those "Microsoft only" type shops, because I like C#/NET. But the only justification for using it was really "IT made us do it". And I saw how the IT leadership in these places were older people perhaps maybe fighting older political battles. In any case its been many years since I've stumbled across a pure Microsoft shop. I think Azure…
I work in a mostly MS shop currently. Of course, all the orchestration scripts I've written for CI/CD etc around our projects are using Docker and Node. Then again, in the main project I'm on, everything I didn't make is .Net Framework and not Core... so going to spend months migrating the crap to actually make progress with some other needs.
There are some things I do like about C# and .Net ... the culture is rarely one of them. Though I still prefer it to Java for the most part.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you underestimate how slowly things move in some places. There are still shops running COBOL on mainframes. Windows is going to have a place on servers for decades to come.
With .NET 5, Windows to Linux migrations are going to become faster.
One can only hope... Containerization on Linux is so much smoother imho. Not being able to run both win and lin containers for developers is a big issue. Linux owns this space, and it will likely continue down that path. Currently doing a couple .Net core projects with deployments to Windows and Linux.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#56I'm surprised it took this long. With Linux support for .NET and SQL Server, there is zero reason to host anything new on Windows now (of course legacy enterprise software is another story). I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Server is fully EOL'd in a few years.
I can understand that for many Mac OS users it's hard to understand Windows. When your OS vendor is requiring you to rewrite parts of your applications each year because of changing APIs it's impossible to imagine a world where applications from 1995 are still running on operating systems from 2019. Same.with security updates for only 3 years where Windows gives you over a decade time to upgrade.
But when you are a manufacturing company and just need to get your product out, you don't care about your software. You want it running for as cheap as possible. That's where Windows shines. Mac OS is explicitly unfit here. Same with the hip technologies like nodejs that require constant attention.
Everybody gives Microsoft shit for moving slow but when was the last time you had to proof that your patch doesn't break compatibility with 20 year old software that you can't even get anywhere anymore?
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
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The government department standardizes on Azure but all the young devs push for Linux servers so all their shiny toys work great. Windows is truly dead on the cloud and has been for a decade. The only thing people use it for is self hosted exchange, and file servers and active domains - legacy stuff.
Everyone uses Active Directory because its basically the only functional solution for its problem space.
Which problem space is that?
For group policy part cfengine, salt, puppet are far better (group policy is just modifying windows registry and manipulating files although at first it seemes a bit like magic).
For authentication we have kerberos, which Microsoft pulled in from the free world beginning with Windows 2000. Kerberos does not fly in the Cloud world though.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The government department standardizes on Azure but all the young devs push for Linux servers so all their shiny toys work great. Windows is truly dead on the cloud and has been for a decade. The only thing people use it for is self hosted exchange, and file servers and active domains - legacy stuff.
There is an entire parallel community of business IT, basically unknown and unintelligible to the Silicon Valley community, where the Microsoft server-side stack is as obvious a choice as Linux is in our world. You may even have some of it in your company. It's really amusing (and dysfunctional) when our projects require "Eng" and "Corp IT" to cooperate. We're both ostensibly computer professionals who select, write,…
And at least where I come from, it seems the owners of .Net and C# shops are all driving Maseratis or Mercs, while the owners of Ruby/Nodejs shops are on fixies or electric skate boards.
(And the Java people all work for banks, and ride the train. Even though they're really well paid, they don't own the company, and don't get allocated parking spots in the bank's CBD offices...)
Probably an awful statistical analysis, but it's a common enough thing here I've heard other people talking about it...
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#59I'm surprised it took this long. With Linux support for .NET and SQL Server, there is zero reason to host anything new on Windows now (of course legacy enterprise software is another story). I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Server is fully EOL'd in a few years.
I think you underestimate how slowly things move in some places. There are still shops running COBOL on mainframes. Windows is going to have a place on servers for decades to come.
News flash, there is more COBOL being written today that in any prior year. It's a small part of the total output, but is not decreasing in absolute terms.
Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone uses Active Directory because its basically the only functional solution for its problem space.
Which problem space is that? For group policy part cfengine, salt, puppet are far better (group policy is just modifying windows registry and manipulating files although at first it seemes a bit like magic). For authentication we have kerberos, which Microsoft pulled in from the free world beginning with Windows 2000. Kerberos does not fly in the Cloud world though.
Have you ever actually done that - managed a large fleet of desktops and a productivity suite, all on Linux with no active directory? Complete with whatever the Kerberos equivalent of a backup DC is?