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Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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> "major cloud provider uses linux more than windows"

Well, that's to be expected. Sorry, this is in the same category as "Huawei CTO uses iPhones" or "amount X of Google employees use Surface Pro". I don't quite get what the article is trying to tell me.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I wish MS would just create a Linux or BSD distro like Amazon Linux, ClearLinux, Darwin etc. to replace Windows Server outright...

> to replace Windows Server outright Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money?

> Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money?

Because they can make just as much money licensing versions of SQL Server et al for Linux or selling Linux cloud instances, not have to spend any more money developing a separate server OS, and make their customers happy because they can have Active Directory without Windows Update.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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> "major cloud provider uses linux more than windows" Well, that's to be expected. Sorry, this is in the same category as "Huawei CTO uses iPhones" or "amount X of Google employees use Surface Pro". I don't quite get what the article is trying to tell me.

Those are extremely poor analogies. You listed two things entirely irrelevant to a business as comparisons to a key component to a business.

"Satya Nadella once used a linux computer" is the category of thing you listed.

"Apple building android phones" would be a better snalogy for this.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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> "major cloud provider uses linux more than windows" Well, that's to be expected. Sorry, this is in the same category as "Huawei CTO uses iPhones" or "amount X of Google employees use Surface Pro". I don't quite get what the article is trying to tell me.

Those are extremely poor analogies. You listed two things entirely irrelevant to a business as comparisons to a key component to a business. "Satya Nadella once used a linux computer" is the category of thing you listed. "Apple building android phones" would be a better snalogy for this.

> "Apple building android phones" would be a better snalogy for this.

Not really. Apple selling Android phones at Apple Stores is probably the best analogy.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I think you underestimate how slowly things move in some places. There are still shops running COBOL on mainframes. Windows is going to have a place on servers for decades to come.

Yes, but in the same way companies are still running XP. There is zero chance there will be new releases of Windows Server a decade from now. Microsoft itself is starting to host its services on Linux.

Your statement reminds me of a well known tech pundit (Cringely?) who predicted in 2012 that Windows client would die in 2017.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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> to replace Windows Server outright Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money?

> Why would they be replacing a product that earns them money? Because they can make just as much money licensing versions of SQL Server et al for Linux or selling Linux cloud instances, not have to spend any more money developing a separate server OS, and make their customers happy because they can have Active Directory without Windows Update.

they can make just as much money

I'm doubtful about that.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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> "major cloud provider uses linux more than windows" Well, that's to be expected. Sorry, this is in the same category as "Huawei CTO uses iPhones" or "amount X of Google employees use Surface Pro". I don't quite get what the article is trying to tell me.

Those are extremely poor analogies. You listed two things entirely irrelevant to a business as comparisons to a key component to a business. "Satya Nadella once used a linux computer" is the category of thing you listed. "Apple building android phones" would be a better snalogy for this.

In essence it's all "Company/Organization X buys/sells/makes/uses stuff/services for/from Company/Organization Y". Well, that's what's business is all about. Overlapping market shares and interests included. This article is nothing but based on the old "Windows VS Linux" discussion. So yeah, I think it's in the same category as "Satya Nadella once used a linux computer" category and fits very well.

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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I think you underestimate how slowly things move in some places. There are still shops running COBOL on mainframes. Windows is going to have a place on servers for decades to come.

Yes, but in the same way companies are still running XP. There is zero chance there will be new releases of Windows Server a decade from now. Microsoft itself is starting to host its services on Linux.

It's been less than a year since the last release of OS/2, I think we're a long ways away from the last release of Windows for servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcaOS

Re: Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server

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Like 10 years ago, I thought it was great when we garnered a client which was one those "Microsoft only" type shops, because I like C#/NET. But the only justification for using it was really "IT made us do it". And I saw how the IT leadership in these places were older people perhaps maybe fighting older political battles. In any case its been many years since I've stumbled across a pure Microsoft shop. I think Azure…

>But the only justification for using it was really "IT made us do it". And I saw how the IT leadership in these places were older people perhaps maybe fighting older political battles. I've seen this happen too in predominantly Linux shops. In the early 2000s Microsoft worked hard to cultivate relationships with future IT leaders and those relationships have a way of enduring. Even if your CIO can't get everyone ont…

That’s really how it works. I can attest to that as a former IT guy in a large organization. It’s a personal relationship with a clueless CTO. But to be honest, they’ve just replace IBM guys doing the same.

Big difference, IBM representatives actually knew their stuff. Microsoft would rely on its enterprise sales guys to cultivate this relationships, pushing CTO to make the most stupid decisions and using system engineers to sugar coat and hide the details.

I remember one being told off by a sales person when saying “yes, it’s a bug” in one of these sales pitches.

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