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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by posix_me_less »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #199
ndarwincorn wrote: post #173

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> classic example are laptops that dynamically switch between discrete and integrated graphics YMMV, but as far as I know that's more or less a solved problem by default (for X anyway) with DRI3. This particular complaint echoes folks (I was one) who booted Ubuntu desktop a decade ago and couldn't get wifi to work, and proceeded to complain about shoddy driver support (to present day, clearly), using only that single…

> What this ignores is that Linux driver support is generally fantastic, works out of the box in a way that desktop architects at MS dream about and is infinitely more current in practice since you go to one place to update all your software, including driver software, something MS hasn't been able to get right in a decade of trying. Generally, yes, it's pretty decent on first go and there's a nice default happy path…

Version incompatibility is expected, because Linux kernel changes a lot. You need the correct driver for your kernel. The amdgpu driver is a part of Linux distribution, your best option is to install it from Ubuntu apt repository, not from manufacturer's website. Which now explicitly and clearly says the driver is for Ubuntu 18.04 only - did you not see that?

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by Const-me »

frequentnapper wrote: post #137
Const-me wrote: post #105

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Thick ones, able to house active cooling, and therefore fast CPUs. Where you can upgrade RAM and SSD with a screwdriver, without a heat gun. A brand doesn’t matter.

I travel quite a bit, so lightness is a requirement.

I have an upgradeable 13.3" laptop, with active cooling, which weights 1.6kg. Light enough for all practical applications.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by sametmax »

VvR-Ox wrote: post #290
jdoliner wrote: post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

I had to laugh when I read about this "Ubuntu install process" - Is there really still people on earth who can screw that up? :-D

Most people don't know what a URL is, and you want them to install an OS ?

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by idividebyzero »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #42
mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Disclosure: I work at Microsoft but not on Windows (and my work machine is a MacBook Pro FWIW) WSL 2 is a lot like that -- it's a VM in the sense that it uses Hyper-V, but it's super lightweight. And in fact, when WSL 2 is enabled, both Windows AND Linux are running in the same type of VM (separate, obviously), so it's near-native performance in a lot of ways. There are still some I/O issues that the team is actively…

Just out of curiosity: did they let you use the MacBook Pro without problems? Can you guys @ Microsoft decide to use whatever OS is more suitable for what you do?

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by __s »

cameronbrown wrote: post #243
meruru wrote: post #158

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We don't need NT to have competing kernels. All of the following have their own kernels: + FreeBSD + OpenBSD + NetBSD + DragonFlyBSD + Minix + Haiku + Redox + Plan 9 + SeL4 + Fuchsia And many more.

Dozens and dozens of UNIX kernels (with Fuchsia being the exception I believe..? Not sure). Yes I know kernels have far outgrown POSIX, but it's still a form of monoculture. Diversity in all dimensions matters imo.

Unix kernels could use more cohesion, not less, in terms of API. Even if that API is implemented mostly in userspace

View the kernel API like HTML. Browser diversity is good, but they need to be implementing the same interface if the smaller players want to support any hardware that works with Linux

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by snaky »

pjmlp wrote: post #275
dehrmann wrote: post #237

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While people nitpick over what "linux desktop" means, don't lose sight of the fact that general purpose computing is slowly dying and being replaced by iOS and Android. Roughly as many iPhones are sold per year as desktops and laptops combined.

iOS doesn't use Linux and on Android userspace doesn't actually see it. https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis So it is meaningless.

There's more than one Android userspace.

https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/tree/master/packag...

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Post by monkeydust »

dehrmann wrote: post #237
jdoliner wrote: post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

While people nitpick over what "linux desktop" means, don't lose sight of the fact that general purpose computing is slowly dying and being replaced by iOS and Android. Roughly as many iPhones are sold per year as desktops and laptops combined.

I still spend 80% of my workday on a PC running windows. So not sure I agree.

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Post by crispinb »

nine_k wrote: post #261
crispinb wrote: post #223

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Sure, I know what it does, I'm just not sure why anyone would use it. I never do normally want a comment to go up or down (other than the odd egregiously abusive or aggressive item). I may disagree with a comment, but that doesn't remotely generate in me an opinion re where it should sit in the tree. I don't think other people should or are likely to find a comment agreeable/interesting/relevant/insightful just becau…

A reason to upvote: "this is a good comment, other readers should see it sooner, maybe the first thing". I see it as a community service.

Fair enough. I honestly suspect your signal there is more than lost amongst the noise of readers reflexively voting for what they happen to agree with. Anyway that's probably enough of this particular dead horse.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by toong »

goodcanadian wrote: post #264
gorio wrote: post #85

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Despite the wording I don't think that is the original definition? The idea is to make Linux viable as a desktop operating system, and whatever comes with that. Not running Linux as an application on another desktop. Which is almost the opposite as in leveraging capabilities outside of Linux. Maybe more importantly redefining the goal isn't helping Linux much. I remember everyone raving about Android, but now look at…

I keep seeing this angst over whether Linux will ever be ready on the desktop. Well, I've been using it exclusively for something like 15 years.

Me too, since 2004 with Fedora 3 back then. And I'm growing more and more frustrated with it the last few years.

Maybe I just have less time and patience nowadays :-)

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by jddj »

underwater wrote: post #267
mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Why? This is a common ask, but what exactly makes a Linux kernel superior to Windows? There seems to be an assumption that Linux is the ultimate in OSes. But most of the value comes from the large ecosystem and momentum, rather than specific technical advantages.

I just want to say, because some posts here have mentioned community but not hit on this directly.

The value of Linux (to many) rests on its FOSS value system.

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