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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by dvtrn »

myoon wrote: post #266
dvtrn wrote: post #144

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YMMV? I have the last generation blade laptop, and granted Ive only had two tickets opened with support but they were (at least in my experience) surprisingly fast and on the money with both experiences. I didn’t want to speak for everyone so that’s why I posited the italicized “Maybe” because PC support is like throwing darts at a dart board. From ten miles away. With headwind.

If you go to the Razer subreddit, there's reasonable consensus that buying from the Microsoft Store, Best Buy, etc. is highly recommended for the extended warranty, which you will have a high chance of using if you regularly game on it.

Interesting. Both of my problems were hardware related (usb port and a power adapter), but I wouldn’t consider myself a “hardcore” gamer, I bought my Razer Blade to play a specific game (The Dishonored trilogy) at the time because I travelled quite often for work and had the disposable funds for it.

Maybe I got extremely lucky with my build, who knows.

Sucks to hear other people are having such a frustrating go at things. Price aside I’ve had a pleasant experience with Razer.

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Post by mrunkel »

callmeal wrote: post #260
asark wrote: post #125

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There were basically three things that made Macbooks very appealing to developers before: 1) Very good hardware at a not-huge markup when compared apples-to-apples (haha) with Wintel hardware. 2) Unixy OS with outstanding Just Works but it's not your fault should it fail to Just Work, as in "ugh Tom's laptop won't connect to the projector again, because he insists on running Linux." 3) Excellent pick-up-and-go, thank…

> the keyboard going from good-enough to fairly-crappy. And don't forget the ginormous trackpad where your typing ends up in weird places because your palm or your wrist touched it unexpectedly. And forget it if you had the shift key pressed - very easy to have a large chunk of the document you're working on disappear making you wonder wtf just happened.

Do you actually use a mac? Because I've NEVER had that happen to me. Ever.

The trackpad software is exceptionally good at detect errant touches.

Maybe my experience is abnormal.

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Post by mrunkel »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

The iMac Pro is a fantastic machine, so if you want a workstation, that's probably your best bet.

Hell, even the 27" iMac is a great "everyday driver."

I do software development + sysadmin and am very happy with my iMac. (Retina 5K 27", 3.6G i9, 64GB RAM)

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Post by pertymcpert »

Krasnol wrote: post #277
jodrellblank wrote: post #256

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If you have a point, please make it without whatever this is. Apple scale is hundreds of millions of devices sold per year. Nobody said it was a “special” scale only for Apple.

So the persons pointless comment is no problem but my question is? Why? The commenter does not give any sign to why the size may be relevant so the only special thing about the sentence is the name of the company. As if that may be enough to kill the long and descriptive comment above. The second answer by someone else followed up on this bait. At the topic of size: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20309140

It wasn't pointless, your contributions however have been.

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Post by sonnyblarney »

dang wrote: post #264
sonnyblarney wrote: post #177

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"USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they mention it, they will put phrase it like "America liberated the population of Irak " This is complete rubbish. The US is not in the business of industrial espionage for commercial purposes - either on a corporate or governmental level, where China is. Second - geopolitical issues have nothing to do with theft of IP,…

We'e asked you repeatedly to stop using HN for political and ideological flamewar. Instead, you've done more and more of it. That's a serious abuse of this site, because such flamewars actually destroy this place for thoughtful and curious conversation, its raison d'etre. Since you've ignored our attempts to get you to use HN as intended, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to ema…

That's fine, and it's your prerogative, surely. However you must notice there is arbitrary antagonism throughout the thread to which I am responding, not intending to 'inflame' however much that may have been the case and I'm sorry for that.

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Post by nomel »

mrunkel wrote: post #312
callmeal wrote: post #260

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> the keyboard going from good-enough to fairly-crappy. And don't forget the ginormous trackpad where your typing ends up in weird places because your palm or your wrist touched it unexpectedly. And forget it if you had the shift key pressed - very easy to have a large chunk of the document you're working on disappear making you wonder wtf just happened.

Do you actually use a mac? Because I've NEVER had that happen to me. Ever. The trackpad software is exceptionally good at detect errant touches. Maybe my experience is abnormal.

Related, I saw someone using their Apple Pencil with their writing hand hovering above the screen. They weren’t aware of palm rejection, thanks to crappy experiences from other devices and touch based stylus use.

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Post by NikkiA »

nomel wrote: post #316
mrunkel wrote: post #312

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Do you actually use a mac? Because I've NEVER had that happen to me. Ever. The trackpad software is exceptionally good at detect errant touches. Maybe my experience is abnormal.

Related, I saw someone using their Apple Pencil with their writing hand hovering above the screen. They weren’t aware of palm rejection, thanks to crappy experiences from other devices and touch based stylus use.

I've never had the palm rejection work on my ipads, sadly, so I too have to use a stylus with my hand hovering, or else I get weird lines and mis-clicks on various UI elements.

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Post by hker »

echaozh wrote: post #309
ngcc_hk wrote: post #254

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Not sure we have. The chief executive just ignore the 1 then 2m walk due to the support of chinese comunust regime. China is strong and cohesive enough the world should be afraid. Raising economically but totalitarian politically justify a strong arm and nasty approach. And any people struggled would be jailed. (Last noble prize winner plus nearly all human rights lawyers.) Be afraid. If you don’t you are playing fir…

Is Macau even with you on this protest? And where do you get the fantasy of democracy or freedom in HK before 1997? How old were you in 1997? HK may have been prosperous before 1997, but it doesn't mean it was democratic or free. Not ruled by China != democratic and free.

> And where do you get the fantasy of democracy or freedom in HK before 1997?

Just to respond to the point about democracy in Hong Kong.

It is written in the Basic Law (the constitution of Hong Kong) Article 45 that the Chief executive should be chosen by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee as an eventual goal.

So to a certain extent the demand for democracy is based on the constitution.

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Post by sfifs »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

I was about to. Then I heard quite a few of my colleagues who used Mac had endless keyboard problems and surffered from lack of function keys in the high end laptop which was a good 1000 dollars more expensive than similarly specced ThinkPad and stuck with using windows with tLinux layer. Maybe with Ive gone, they'll finally make a competitive laptop.

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Post by duguxu »

smacktoward wrote: post #281
bduerst wrote: post #278

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Fair enough, it could be survivor bias, but the firewall is so easy to bypass with a VPN that it would most likely be more evident. Anecdotally I spent half a year in China, and whenever I brought up the censorship with people who lived there, I got more than just a few responses where they rolled their eyes and said we (Americans) are obsessed with it, followed up with, "Who cares?"

My point wasn't entirely about survivorship bias. People in a surveillance state are going to be especially careful about what they say to people like foreigners and journalists, as those are people who are likely to be under even more close surveillance than are average citizens. So whatever you say to them is very likely going to be something you say in the hearing of the government, even if the person themselves d…

Your argument is not falsifiable then: If a citizen says something bad about the totalitarian government—he is true and the government is that evil; if something not that bad—he is oppressed and fearful so this is untrue and the government is that evil. I don’t mean totalitarian government isn’t evil at all, but this way of thinking would keep leading you to confusing opinions like “why hasn’t this government collapsed” or “we would be appreciated by most people if we overthrow their government” etc.
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