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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by kristianp »

scardine wrote: post #114
ChuckMcM wrote: post #51

Well that is pretty nice. WSL gets that much more exactly like Linux. What I really appreciate about WSL is that you get the accessibility of a bunch of OSS projects and a machine which has legit drivers for all of its component bits. What this means to me is that searching for a "linux laptop" won't be a chore, if it runs the latest Windows it will run Linux. And I can do development on the Linux side while communic…

There are a few annoyances with WSL2. For me the most important are: 1. You can't connect to a port listening on WSL localhost like in WSL1, you have to figure out the WSL IP address and use that. 2. From WSL you can't connect to a Windows TCP port on localhost, you must figure out the Windows IP (cat /etc/resolv.conf) and use that. 3. The WSL remote interpreter on PyCharm is not working anymore. The suggested workar…

You should file an issue for the changing IP address problem. Sounds like a serious pain point.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by kpU8efre7r »

hereme888 wrote: post #125

I see it as another publicity stunt by the Big 5 tech companies to save their reputation amidst years of anti-privacy violations. From buying Github, to "supporting" open-source software. Yeah right, more like marketing to save your reputation. I'll keep moving further and further away from Big Tech. Will Microsoft send themselves more "aggregated" user data on how their new Linux kernel is being used? Will this have…

How do you guys have time to get any work done with all this zealotry?

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by delfinom »

umeshunni wrote: post #38
mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Absolutely. At this point, there isn't much value for Microsoft to hang on to the legacy of Windows - with most of their revenue coming from Azure/Cloud and developer products, it might be time to say goodbye to that legacy and make it subsystem on a modern Linux-based system. That might also be a way for them to become more relevant in mobile devices and platforms.

Well...having driver and app compatibility going back to Windows 7 in 10 is still a massive pro.

Linux's driver architecture and even app distribution is a fucking nightmare.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by nine_k »

crispinb wrote: post #153
cududa wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is op getting downvoted? This is a legitimate issue he’s facing on a specific hardware configuration

This is a total aside, but I really don't understand voting on comments. I've no idea what it could mean - levels of agreement, interest, offensiveness (or scores of other possibilities)? It seems entirely meaningless, therefore pointless, to me.

Upvoting moves comments (threads) closer to top. Downvoting does the opposite, and dowvoting below 0 makes comments look fainter.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by jeremyjh »

ndarwincorn wrote: post #173
jeremyjh wrote: post #147

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There are things that don't work well though, classic example are laptops that dynamically switch between discrete and integrated graphics. You'll probably run everything on the dedicated GPU which hurts battery life. Still, my old desktop scanner that the manufacturer stopped publishing drives for during the Windows Vista era? Yeah Linux runs it like a boss. No looking up drivers or config parameters on the internet…

> classic example are laptops that dynamically switch between discrete and integrated graphics YMMV, but as far as I know that's more or less a solved problem by default (for X anyway) with DRI3. This particular complaint echoes folks (I was one) who booted Ubuntu desktop a decade ago and couldn't get wifi to work, and proceeded to complain about shoddy driver support (to present day, clearly), using only that single…

The last time I was shopping for a laptop (a year ago), Arch's wiki said it was all broken for the models that interested me. Here's an example, if you have better information maybe update the wiki.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_15_9570#Graphi...

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by halter73 »

oil25 wrote: post #117

We've come a long way from Bill Gates' original characterization of open source (long before it was called that) as thievery - https://worldhistoryproject.org/1976/2/bill-gates-writes-ope... I'm still sure as ever Microsoft is no friend of free (as in Freedom, not price) software and can't help but shake my head at this latest publicity stunt. I wouldn't trust their software any further than I throw it.

That open letter had nothing to do open source (i.e libre) software as we understand the term today. It was simply asking hobbyists to pay for Altair BASIC which was not distributed under an open source license.

I don't see how that's anything but reasonable unless you take the position that all software ought to be open source regardless the creators wishes.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by Dylan16807 »

phkahler wrote: post #174
mrbungie wrote: post #156

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Yep, except in this case is just one goalpost and everyone wins. Now we can enjoy using software as MS Office and userland from Linux distros in the same machine seamlessly.

This is the "embrace" phase. It also kind of encompasses "extend" by adding hardware support via Windows drivers. This alone is not enough to get to "extinguish" though, so allow me to make a prediction. The next step is fully locked down hardware that requires a signed OS. Linux will not run on it, but MS will pretend to support you by allowing linux apps to run on their kernel. Then, once no hardware will allow you…

That kind of locked down hardware already exists, and microsoft never needed to make any kind of argument about how you can technically run linux in a VM.

In other words, I'm not worried about WSL as a vector.

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