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NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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post #124

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10 seconds of video from Titan would change the world. It's shame we don't have this from Mars already. So it would take a few weeks to transmit - we got time. Now figuring out which 10 seconds to select and send to earth... that'll be interesting. An on-board cache of x GB data storage, with key frames taken every 30 minutes, would probably be able to select some pretty compelling 10 second segments.

What about the world would be different after getting a 10 second video from Titan?

It would be inspiring for me at least.(Assuming something was moving)

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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post #8

I love this mission. From a science point of view it’s probably good to send similar and well tested rovers to Mars. But to me it gets boring. I think NASA used to get a lot of fascination from doing the seemingly impossible like flying to the moon. So I think a mission like this will be fascinating for a lot of people. Also it may spawn off a lot of technology. I hope for a submarine mission to Europa.

I think a flying mission is actually superior to a rover as it can cover far more ground and reach some sites that wouldn't be feasible for a rover. And Titan is uniquely suited to using flight to explore as its gravity is a factor 7.25 lower and its atmosphere a factor of 4.4x denser. That means it's about 30 times easier to hover and covering the same distance is at least 7 times as efficient as on Earth, besides h…

> over its ~10 year lifespan (assuming it can last as long as Cassini did...)

Cassini wasnt exposed to solvents, rocks and didn't have moving parts (at least not to keep it aloft). Have they made a public statement about lifespan?

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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post #17

A flying drone is a really solid idea for a Titan lander for a couple reasons: * The surface atmosphere density is higher than Earth's (1.5 atm) * Gravitational force is much lower (0.15g) * We don't know a lot about the surface composition or topography, so wheels and motors represent a challenge * Visibility may be poor, making visual navigation tricky (though that's also a problem for a flying vehicle I suppose) I…

In addition to lack of solar energy, I wonder if nuclear power source is necessary to keep batteries or other electronics warm enough to function properly. Conversely, on Titan, we won't need to worry about heat sinks as everything is kept at ~94K in a bath of liquid and frozen methane. Perhaps in a few hundred years AWS's most popular region for intensive compute will be under Titan's methane sea. High spin up cost,…

Never thought about this before, in theory does this bring super conductors closer to reality?

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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post #28

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Will this be the first-ever instance of nuclear-powered flight?

NASA has been using nuclear powered probes for 50 years. It is called a redioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG). https://www.space.com/13709-plutonium-shortage-nasa-planetar... Unfortunately, there is a shortage of plutonium-238 to run these RTGs (see above story). I guess that will get resolved somehow. The current Mars Curiosity rover is powered by an RTG. Since this is the first flying (post-landing of course)…

America and Russia have both put proper fission reactors into space too.

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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post #72

NASA is really good at planning future missions. Implementing them? I've heard hundreds of fantastical half-baked ideas and very few of them materialize over the course of my 46 years on earth.

Eh, almost every NASA robotic mission that has gotten this far in the design and selection process has also flown. They're way past the "fantastical half-baked idea" stage. The financial reality is that NASA can only finance one or two billion-dollar missions per decade, and the competition is rather fierce. To be selected as the New Frontiers class mission of the late 2020s is a big deal, and you can be sure that at…

Yup. The robotic program has a very good track record of successes, even for crazy stuff like the Mars Science Laboratory’s sky crane descent stage: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_Af_o9Q9s

It’s the human spaceflight program that has had the, um, difficulties. There are signs of hope, though.

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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These are physical restrictions, not technological.

What about the laser technology NASA is developing? That should be a lot faster than current radio based technology?

Focusing a laser at that range requires a rather large diameter heavy set of optical components.

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

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How does one test on earth, a drone for a different atmospheric and gravitational environment? Some great drone simulation techniques are going to come out of this project.

No problem. Large atmospheric chamber or controlled wind tunnel. Pump the pressure up or down, change the gas mixtures, whatever. Gravity, partially support the drone's weight. NASA is good at this stuff.

Yes that's how they tested the Mars drone.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7417

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

#168

A flying drone is a really solid idea for a Titan lander for a couple reasons: * The surface atmosphere density is higher than Earth's (1.5 atm) * Gravitational force is much lower (0.15g) * We don't know a lot about the surface composition or topography, so wheels and motors represent a challenge * Visibility may be poor, making visual navigation tricky (though that's also a problem for a flying vehicle I suppose) I…

is there no wind on Titan? What if there's a windstorm and it crashes the drone? At least a vehicle could resist crashing, unlike a drone.

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

#169
post #8

I love this mission. From a science point of view it’s probably good to send similar and well tested rovers to Mars. But to me it gets boring. I think NASA used to get a lot of fascination from doing the seemingly impossible like flying to the moon. So I think a mission like this will be fascinating for a lot of people. Also it may spawn off a lot of technology. I hope for a submarine mission to Europa.

I think a flying mission is actually superior to a rover as it can cover far more ground and reach some sites that wouldn't be feasible for a rover. And Titan is uniquely suited to using flight to explore as its gravity is a factor 7.25 lower and its atmosphere a factor of 4.4x denser. That means it's about 30 times easier to hover and covering the same distance is at least 7 times as efficient as on Earth, besides h…

Isn't there wind on Titan?

Re: NASA plans to launch a spacecraft to Titan

#170

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Why bother? Rocket fuel is cheaper than nuclear fuel and rocket missiles can already hit anywhere.

Because a nuclear-powered missile can in principle fly in circles at low altitude off your enemy's shores for months at a time without landing or refueling, ready to be called down at any time with no detectable warning.

Well, if I am your enemy, I sure as hell won't let your missile cruise around my shore for a month
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