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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by mav3rick »

hereme888 wrote: post #125

I see it as another publicity stunt by the Big 5 tech companies to save their reputation amidst years of anti-privacy violations. From buying Github, to "supporting" open-source software. Yeah right, more like marketing to save your reputation. I'll keep moving further and further away from Big Tech. Will Microsoft send themselves more "aggregated" user data on how their new Linux kernel is being used? Will this have…

No one in the mainstream public knows or cares about the Linux kernel or open source. People care about products. Not implementation details.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by [deleted] »

scardine wrote: post #114
ChuckMcM wrote: post #51

Well that is pretty nice. WSL gets that much more exactly like Linux. What I really appreciate about WSL is that you get the accessibility of a bunch of OSS projects and a machine which has legit drivers for all of its component bits. What this means to me is that searching for a "linux laptop" won't be a chore, if it runs the latest Windows it will run Linux. And I can do development on the Linux side while communic…

There are a few annoyances with WSL2. For me the most important are: 1. You can't connect to a port listening on WSL localhost like in WSL1, you have to figure out the WSL IP address and use that. 2. From WSL you can't connect to a Windows TCP port on localhost, you must figure out the Windows IP (cat /etc/resolv.conf) and use that. 3. The WSL remote interpreter on PyCharm is not working anymore. The suggested workar…

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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by StudentStuff »

Osiris wrote: post #88
gorio wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the wording I don't think that is the original definition? The idea is to make Linux viable as a desktop operating system, and whatever comes with that. Not running Linux as an application on another desktop. Which is almost the opposite as in leveraging capabilities outside of Linux. Maybe more importantly redefining the goal isn't helping Linux much. I remember everyone raving about Android, but now look at…

Given that drivers are Linux's biggest problem, isn't there benefit to leveraging Windows drivers and then running Linux on top of that virtualized hardware? I don't see why you couldn't run x11 in the window manager with the new Linux kernel in Windows.

Windows has less hardware support than Linux. Most single board computers can run mainline Linux, whereas just a handful support Windows IoT.

AMD, ARM (CPUs & Mali GPUs), Intel, VIA, Qualcomm (Adreno) all have support in kernel 5, whereas Microsoft is still stuck subsetting a small group of ARM GPUs and branding Windows 10's OpenGL ES support as DirectX 11. This is a repeat of the troubles Microsoft had with supporting Windows Phone, but now the userbase is significantly smaller despite a wider array of hardware to support.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by meruru »

danpat wrote: post #14
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a topic about Microsoft not Google: Mail, Amp, Android (Linux), Google Talk / Hangouts (XMPP), Chrome (websites by Google and external parties that only work on Chrome), and I am probably missing other cases where standard tech has been extended into ways that only Google can support.

The term "embrace, extend, and extinguish" was coined by Microsoft, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

I read that as a humorous potshot.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by brennebeck »

umeshunni wrote: post #38
mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Absolutely. At this point, there isn't much value for Microsoft to hang on to the legacy of Windows - with most of their revenue coming from Azure/Cloud and developer products, it might be time to say goodbye to that legacy and make it subsystem on a modern Linux-based system. That might also be a way for them to become more relevant in mobile devices and platforms.

Eh? ‘Most’ of MSFTs revenue comes from Windows and Office. Isn’t Azure/cloud/server less than ⅓? Not that that’s not substantial, but it’s not most.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by frequentnapper »

Const-me wrote: post #105
frequentnapper wrote: post #76

As an aside, which laptop do people here prefer for windows dev? I am split between Surface laptop and Lenovo X1 Carbon.

Thick ones, able to house active cooling, and therefore fast CPUs. Where you can upgrade RAM and SSD with a screwdriver, without a heat gun. A brand doesn’t matter.

I travel quite a bit, so lightness is a requirement.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by bin0 »

Question for those with more technological knowledge than I have: will this allow AF_PACKET support on windows so I can run monitor mode stuff? CUDA acceleration?

If I could avoid spending time getting nvidia drivers working on my laptop, that would be a massive help. And yeah, I know, I'm supposed to buy AMD stuff so I can use open source etc. But all the best hardware is nvidia, and so top hardware ships with nvidia. I've got to use this thing for my work as well, so it's not really an option, and I don't have the technical chops to quickly debug my drivers or wm or whatever.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by meruru »

Who cares about the year of the Linux desktop when the world is still turning into 1984? There was a reason we wanted Linux to dominate and it wasn't so it would end like this.
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