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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Embrace... Extend...

This is a topic about Microsoft not Google: Mail, Amp, Android (Linux), Google Talk / Hangouts (XMPP), Chrome (websites by Google and external parties that only work on Chrome), and I am probably missing other cases where standard tech has been extended into ways that only Google can support.

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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Or just lock down a BSD like Apple did and adopt wine.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Windows Subsystem for Linux is really close to that though. If you have not tried it yet you can download a Windows VM for developers from Microsoft that includes WSL and other dev goodies. Its mostly for evaluation but good enough to get started with. Edit: Here is the link to the Microsoft provided VMs: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virt...

This is still with Linux running in a VM though, right? I'd like a lightweight VM for legacy Windows and Linux running on metal. Given Microsoft's zeal for legacy support I'd say there's a snowball's chance in hell for this, but a man can dream.

I would actually wonder if it could do that via VMs. That why you can keep compatibility, but then change the underlying system.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #4

Embrace... Extend...

This is a topic about Microsoft not Google: Mail, Amp, Android (Linux), Google Talk / Hangouts (XMPP), Chrome (websites by Google and external parties that only work on Chrome), and I am probably missing other cases where standard tech has been extended into ways that only Google can support.

You probably haven't been in tech long enough to know what that means.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

Well, technically yes, but…talk about moving the goalposts! Almost like swapping the goalposts.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

problem is the kernel is sitting on top of a binary blob, and that manipulates the access to the real machine. we shouldnt be so worried about the kernel, we should be concerned about what the binary between the kernel and the hardware is doing/notdoing , and what degree of control do we have over that layer.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #13

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Just thinking out look because that is just very improbable. But effort wise, implementing the win32 layer over linux is a harder thing than what they did with wsl1, surely right? But at the same, their wsl team was like what, a few guys? 10, 20? But the linux kernel source is opened maybe that's the difference.

SQL Server on Linux already uses a thing that resembles a Windows syscall-emulator to be able to run a bunch of Windows user-space unmodified. https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/sqlserver/2016/12/16/sql-se...

(But it's more aimed at services, so doesn't do GUI etc.)

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

How? Wouldn't it be the year of the "Microsoft emulating Linux behind the scenes" desktop, aka still Microsoft windows?

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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post #6

My brain threw an exception when I read this title. Awesome that this is a reality though. Now that we have a Linux kernels running and accessible on both Windows and Chromebooks I feel like we can finally say: 2019 actually is the year of Linux on the desktop. It's not a meme anymore, it's finally just a true statement. Edit: To those questioning if this really counts as Linux on the Desktop. Yes, I understand what…

How? Wouldn't it be the year of the "Microsoft emulating Linux behind the scenes" desktop, aka still Microsoft windows?

That's the point—they're not emulating Linux anymore, they're actually running Linux as some kind of lightweight Hyper-V VM.
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