I wonder if this is unchecked laissez faire capitalism at work? Nobody wants to fly on Boeing 737 Max anymore but this has cost hundreds of lives to get to this point.
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#54Yet another shocking revelation in how little Boeing values lives when it comes to the bottom line. This should be a company-ending event for Boeing. These folks should not be making aircraft used by living, breathing human beings. The stock holders Boeing is beholden to, that clamor for this cost cutting, should pay.
The stockholders are you and I, via retirement plans.
Our investment portfolios and retirement plans can be rebalanced. Those that died in the two Max crashes are gone forever.
This isn't cheating on emissions. We have to send a strong message.
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#55There are some Boeing executives who should be making $0.35 an hour in prison.
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.
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#56Money saved by firing experienced engs and outsourcing the development Why is that so hard to understand? Massive fail at risk management maybe?
> Why is that so hard to understand? Massive fail at risk management maybe?
Managerial bonus or promotion for saving money this quarter >> money lost more quarters out than I'll be around
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#57Is that so surprising? I have never worked in a domain like that, but I have always assumed that flight computer software would be built with process so deep that you could almost leave the implementation to trained monkeys, implying that those $9/h workers could still be overqualified.
In my mental model of this kind of development (which could be wrong), you'd absolutely not want the 10x hotshot coder, you'd want predictable worker bees to faithfully transcribe from one specification format to another specification format slightly closer to the metal (or to a verification tool) until you eventually have a product that is working as designed. And from what I have read so far the MAX software does work as designed, the problem already started with garbage in. The article reads like an attempt at shifting blame that I think is entirely uncalled for.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is that allowed? It is like basically the equivalent of dumping products below market and production price like what China frequently does to steel.
Why wouldn't this be allowed? This is the company equivalent of a person working on commission vs salary. Salary is more stable and predictable, commission is riskier but has higher potential for upside.
it's also the equivalent of what they call "royalties" in the music industry.
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#59I wonder if this is unchecked laissez faire capitalism at work? Nobody wants to fly on Boeing 737 Max anymore but this has cost hundreds of lives to get to this point.
there's very little "laissez-faire" about the relationship between Boeing and the US government.
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#60You get what you pay for.