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Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by icxa »

adtac wrote: post #23
gberger wrote: post #4

'Falsehoods programmers believe about time: - Every day has a sunrise and a sunset'

Time is hard: https://zachholman.com/talk/utc-is-enough-for-everyone-right This is all because of the fact that we're trying to represent the time taken by the earth (an arbitrary planet that has no impact on the universe whatsoever) to revolve around the sun (an arbitrary star) in terms of the amount of time the earth takes to rotate around itself. These two obviously unrelated things are somehow merged into to crea…

> (an arbitrary planet that has no impact on the universe whatsoever)

What do you call this type of worldview where you just view everything as completely meaningless or devoid of any value? Is it really straight up Narcism? I mean my god no wonder this is one of the most depressed generations on record.

Apologies for the off-topic comment, I just felt compelled to post this. We are the most meaningful, most important things in the universe until we know or learn otherwise. We are the most intelligent, most accomplished life forms in our known existence. Viewing it as arbitrary might be "technically true" but then again what do we know? What if we are it? It is just as plausible as the other view: that we are just on a billion year course for the eventual heat death of the universe and the end of existence all together.

Treat yourselves as special, you are. Treat others that way too. You'll also be a lot happier. Sorry for the platitudes.

Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by stcredzero »

ergothus wrote: post #19
stcredzero wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falsehoods programmers believe about time: The fundamental one is: "I'm so very clever, and I've dealt with dates my whole conscious life, I can probably think of all of the edge cases off the top of my head!"

I think you're right, but that the tone I read in your words would prevent people from improving. Rather than "I'm so clever" it is more "this isn't complicated". One can argue they mean the same thing, but I'd say they mean different things if comparing to an outside scale. The solution to thinking you're so clever is to reduce your arrogance, but the solution to thinking problems are simple is to stop assuming any…

but that the tone I read in your words would prevent people from improving

Are people really that fragile? Yes and no.

The solution to thinking you're so clever is to reduce your arrogance, but the solution to thinking problems are simple is to stop assuming any problem is simple.

Isn't humility the answer to both? Someone should develop a humility course for programmers involving an "ultra drone," writing the date/time library for it, and some simulated world test cases. Such "humility exercises" are found in various disciplines. There's one for CIA analysts, involving analyzing US Civil War sites via sat photos, then having them visit in person.

Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by chendragon »

icxa wrote: post #31
adtac wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time is hard: https://zachholman.com/talk/utc-is-enough-for-everyone-right This is all because of the fact that we're trying to represent the time taken by the earth (an arbitrary planet that has no impact on the universe whatsoever) to revolve around the sun (an arbitrary star) in terms of the amount of time the earth takes to rotate around itself. These two obviously unrelated things are somehow merged into to crea…

> (an arbitrary planet that has no impact on the universe whatsoever) What do you call this type of worldview where you just view everything as completely meaningless or devoid of any value? Is it really straight up Narcism? I mean my god no wonder this is one of the most depressed generations on record. Apologies for the off-topic comment, I just felt compelled to post this. We are the most meaningful, most importan…

If I remember correctly the word you're looking for is nihilism.

Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by adrianmonk »

inlined wrote: post #26
ergothus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right, but that the tone I read in your words would prevent people from improving. Rather than "I'm so clever" it is more "this isn't complicated". One can argue they mean the same thing, but I'd say they mean different things if comparing to an outside scale. The solution to thinking you're so clever is to reduce your arrogance, but the solution to thinking problems are simple is to stop assuming any…

My favorite incorrect fact is that there are 24 timezones. In fact, the number of offsets from UTC fluctuates throughout the year (at least last I worked on scheduling in 2012. Back then it was either 39 or 40 depending on DST)

That becomes fairly obvious when you consider Arizona doesn't observe DST, but Utah is the same longitude (lies directly north) and does observe DST.

Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by kortilla »

adtac wrote: post #23
gberger wrote: post #4

'Falsehoods programmers believe about time: - Every day has a sunrise and a sunset'

Time is hard: https://zachholman.com/talk/utc-is-enough-for-everyone-right This is all because of the fact that we're trying to represent the time taken by the earth (an arbitrary planet that has no impact on the universe whatsoever) to revolve around the sun (an arbitrary star) in terms of the amount of time the earth takes to rotate around itself. These two obviously unrelated things are somehow merged into to crea…

It’s not an arbitrary planet from our perspective, which is the only one we even know to exist.

We’ve needed to coordinate actions forever and the sun was the only reliable way to do that for a long time. Nothing arbitrary about where our time came from.

Re: Infinite loop in macOS Night Shift in the summer near the Arctic Circle

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Post by mason55 »

inlined wrote: post #26
ergothus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right, but that the tone I read in your words would prevent people from improving. Rather than "I'm so clever" it is more "this isn't complicated". One can argue they mean the same thing, but I'd say they mean different things if comparing to an outside scale. The solution to thinking you're so clever is to reduce your arrogance, but the solution to thinking problems are simple is to stop assuming any…

My favorite incorrect fact is that there are 24 timezones. In fact, the number of offsets from UTC fluctuates throughout the year (at least last I worked on scheduling in 2012. Back then it was either 39 or 40 depending on DST)

Yeah I always feel like a jerk when people open tickets in the summer saying “Please do this at #:## EST” and I have to reply “thanks for providing a time but it’s currently EDT in NYC. Is that what you meant?”
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