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Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by yters » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 12:13 PM UTC

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #40

yters wrote: post #21

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I don't see the difference. Rap music seems to go hand in hand with the subculture. If it wasn't glamorized, I doubt it'd exist, at least to the degree it does. Same with punk. If the punk lifestyle was not glamorized through the music, then the punk subculture would not exist. My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, because in effect we are saying those we do not hold account…

If you don't even know the difference between gangsta rap and rap in general, I'm not sure you're qualified to discuss the point.

I used to listen to loads of rap, gangsta rap and hip hop. The less it glorified the gang life the better it tended to be. I think the gang life glorification is just the lazy way of making content, like how people cuss when they don't have anything significant to say.

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by triplee » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 1:35 PM UTC

Now this is the sort of news I can use.

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by moate » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 1:39 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #35

oarabbus_ wrote: post #26

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You are abysmally misinformed on the history of hip hop. >My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, Ah, in that case you agree that _every_ American slaveowner in the South was a bad, immoral, evil person, right? Same goes for all Germans in WWII.

Yes...does any sane person today think slave owners and nazis were on the correct side of morality?

Minor nit pick:

All slaveowners = people who owned slaves = bad ("complicated" at best)

All Germans during WWII =/= Nazis.

There's plenty of great WWII era Germans who didn't support that Nazis and helped take them down.

But yea, fuck Nazis.

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by tdumitrescu » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 5:25 PM UTC

Isamu wrote: post #11

Just yesterday out of nostalgia I downloaded some classic songs by X - Los Angeles, Under the Big Black Sun, etc. Fun shows! I don't have any of my old vinyl anymore. Anybody here still holding onto your old albums?

Absolutely. I'm always a bit anxious because I haven't digitized most of my records (i.e. made backups of the music at least) but I can't imagine getting rid of the physical objects even once I have. It was such a huge part of my experience growing up. Luckily today most new records also come with free download codes so you get both at once!

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by moate » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

stallmanite wrote: post #43

mistrial9 wrote: post #16

the punks were certainly the most health-toxic sub-culture in post-hippy California.. definitely early pain-killer abusers, plus glue or extreme alcohol, etc. not uncommon to hear of deaths, treachery or jail.. SF Fab-Mab ruler Dirk was later found to be sexually using adolescents pretty regularly .. lead singer of Fang on America's Most Wanted national TV for killing a girl over heroin, things like that .. freedom h…

You might enjoy the positive messages purveyed by bands like Operation Ivy. Edit: Freeze Up and Artificial Life are two tracks from the late 80s containing very prescient and IMO insightful commentary re: man, society, and technology that many on HN could probably appreciate. It was really hard to resist just spamming the lyrics here but hopefully my description will resonate enough that some readers will check it ou…

I know right? I feel like Greg Graffin, Henry Rollins and some of the other guys from that Era of Cali-Punk made some pretty great points in between all the screaming and yelling.

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by oarabbus_ » Sun, Jun 30, 2019, 3:34 AM UTC

kjeetgill wrote: post #47

oarabbus_ wrote: post #26

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You are abysmally misinformed on the history of hip hop. >My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, Ah, in that case you agree that _every_ American slaveowner in the South was a bad, immoral, evil person, right? Same goes for all Germans in WWII.

Not that I think this is an interesting point to argue (and I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at) but yea every slave owner was bad because we're categorizing them based on the bad act: owning slaves. Not every German was a soldier let a lone a Nazi during WWII. I think there's an Axiom of Choice joke in there somewhere.

Every person who buys an iPhone or wears Nikes is immoral and a bad person to a degree, as these products are essentially built upon slave labor.

Re: How Chinese Food Fueled the Rise of California Punk

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Post by yters » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

oarabbus_ wrote: post #56

kjeetgill wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I think this is an interesting point to argue (and I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at) but yea every slave owner was bad because we're categorizing them based on the bad act: owning slaves. Not every German was a soldier let a lone a Nazi during WWII. I think there's an Axiom of Choice joke in there somewhere.

Every person who buys an iPhone or wears Nikes is immoral and a bad person to a degree, as these products are essentially built upon slave labor.

> these products are essentially built upon slave labor.

Citation needed.

AFAIK, the labor is entirely voluntary and reimbursed. Wages are much lower, but so is cost of living.