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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#91

This is not good.

The article reveals that the people working the Mac Pro assembly line in Texas where paid the minimum wage which in Texas is currently $7.25 an hour. When the plant closes, those guys can apply to any fast food place in Austin, and make the same money.

Austin is so expensive even fast food places advertise $14 an hr.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#92

This is not good.

The article reveals that the people working the Mac Pro assembly line in Texas where paid the minimum wage which in Texas is currently $7.25 an hour. When the plant closes, those guys can apply to any fast food place in Austin, and make the same money.

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#93

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

> Macbook Pros have passed their peak

As someone who has used a number of Mac(book)s for years, I agree with this general (or a vocal minority's) consensus.

It's a beautiful machine: great OS, hardware integration is (mostly) top notch, and a lot of pro-grade hard/software for multimedia production are only available on the Mac.

And yet, the 2013 Macbook Pro (maxed out beyond recommended specs) is the last Apple-built computer I will buy. I recently built myself a PC that dual-boots macOS and Linux, and am looking at Thinkpads for my next laptop.

I don't know if "the tide" is moving to Linux, but at least I am, and being the most computer-savvy person in my social circle, I'm recommending everyone I know to not buy a Mac/book. It's probably the best computer in the market for that form factor, but the company has given the users too many reasons to move away.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#94
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Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

> They stand for rights and privacy only when it does not interfere with their revenue stream . I understand the sentiment, but it's a nonstarter. A company that prioritizes human rights at the expense of profit, is a company that has no chance of survival in our political or economic environment, regardless of whether it's in China or the US. The corporate incentives are not fully aligned with the long term interest…

This is a painfully oblivious statement. Have you been under a rock for the past 100 years? Corporations put profits in front of human rights CONSTANTLY, often with the grudging acceptance of the majority of the populace and a blind eye from governments.

In fact, I think it would be very difficult to name even 30 companies in Forbes Top 100 list that someone would be hard pressed to find no examples of running afoul of basic human rights.

EDIT: I haven't been downvoted or anything, but after rereading my post, it sounded a bit forward. Not attacking you personally, I just found this to be an alarmingly weak argument.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#95
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The article reveals that the people working the Mac Pro assembly line in Texas where paid the minimum wage which in Texas is currently $7.25 an hour. When the plant closes, those guys can apply to any fast food place in Austin, and make the same money.

So if they have 5000 people working there, 5000 people will be looking for those "McJobs". Many of them won't find another job, or at least not quick enough to provide food on the table.

According to the article, demand for the Mac Pro tapered off years ago, and they were down to "a skeleton crew". The original plant opening had some kind of tax deal for "up to 500 jobs", so even at peak it was not making a huge difference. Texas supposedly has a 3.8% unemployment rate right now, so there is apparently a lot of work available. I like Apple, but assembling the Mac Pro in Texas was overrated.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#96
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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Well, what exactly is the argument for US stability, at this point? If it's anything other than our track record, I'd be interested to hear. We have gone nuts.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#97
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> And instead pay for one off the shelf If a state actor is sufficiently motivated, even in a physical purchase, your computer will just get switched out for a bugged one at the cashier. Common OPSEC practice re: buying hardware (or anything you don’t want your name associated with, really), is to pay an unaffiliated proxy to buy it for you.

>your computer will just get switched out for a bugged one at the cashier. I doubt it. How would they swap it in time if you drove to a random Best buy, picked out a laptop (I think they still keep them in locked cages on the show floor), and kept eyes on it until checkout? Nevermind that they'll need surveillance on you 24/7 and have the exact model ready to go (or be able to plant the bug within minutes) to pull th…

It might be easier to find a 0-day vulnerability in Intel ME and exploit it.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#98

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In professional environments the price of a computer is so minimal it doesn’t really matter. If someone is being paid even $100K a year then the extra $4,000 for a computer they’ll have for probably 4 years is a rounding error.

Have that attitude about your purchases for 10 years, wasting at least $4000 a year, and you've wasted $40000. That's significant even if you do make $100k.

in 10 years that's a $1m. Even if you bought a mac pro every year that's not particularly significant. Of course, it is a lot of money by itself and if you are smart about it you can save a lot, but the value is there for other people in not building a custom PC with cooling.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In professional environments the price of a computer is so minimal it doesn’t really matter. If someone is being paid even $100K a year then the extra $4,000 for a computer they’ll have for probably 4 years is a rounding error.

Have that attitude about your purchases for 10 years, wasting at least $4000 a year, and you've wasted $40000. That's significant even if you do make $100k.

Who buys a new computer every year? That’s just silly and a waste of money.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#100

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Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

Desperately trying to keep stability isn't evidence of stability, it's evidence that the leadership thinks they aren't stable.

The only thing in your statement that provides evidence of instability is your arbitrary inclusion of the adjective "desperately" to describe China's actions.

All governments work towards stability in their own ways. I don't see desperation in Chinese strategy, but I do see a lot of energy.

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