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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#81

This is not good.

The article reveals that the people working the Mac Pro assembly line in Texas where paid the minimum wage which in Texas is currently $7.25 an hour. When the plant closes, those guys can apply to any fast food place in Austin, and make the same money.

So if they have 5000 people working there, 5000 people will be looking for those "McJobs".

Many of them won't find another job, or at least not quick enough to provide food on the table.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And instead pay for one off the shelf If a state actor is sufficiently motivated, even in a physical purchase, your computer will just get switched out for a bugged one at the cashier. Common OPSEC practice re: buying hardware (or anything you don’t want your name associated with, really), is to pay an unaffiliated proxy to buy it for you.

>your computer will just get switched out for a bugged one at the cashier. I doubt it. How would they swap it in time if you drove to a random Best buy, picked out a laptop (I think they still keep them in locked cages on the show floor), and kept eyes on it until checkout? Nevermind that they'll need surveillance on you 24/7 and have the exact model ready to go (or be able to plant the bug within minutes) to pull th…

It seems really implausible to pull off without making a scene with a bunch of retail workers thinking you're trying to pull off some kind of scam/fraud.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#83

Anyone have a good resource of backdoor / spy / sketchy China computer manufacturing things? I always see info about the Huawei scandal for example, and I would love to read a great write up of more specific technical details of things going on

You'll have a hard time finding that. But, you'll have an easier time finding out what companies who sell services related to supply chain integrity protection and counterfeit detection. Googling about those topics and companies like Harris Corp are good places to start. If you look at what these companies do, you should be able to infer what they are protecting against. From what I gather, the usual threat for this…

Depending on how you define it, I don't think Huawei is technically "state-owned", but because "communism" technically all business are owned by the PRC?

But it's not formally apart of the PRC.

Do I understand this correctly?

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#84

Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

I'm not really sure it's Apples job to advocate for policies in a foreign country. They're a business, not a nation state. I think the extent to which privacy is valued is up for the Chinese to decide. Not really a fan of American companies engaging in corporate activism abroad.

Define "foreign" country in the context of a multinational corporation? I'm not sure I understand what the significance of that word is. Companies can and do attempt to sway political policies in their favor in whatever country they are operating in, regardless of where that company was founded.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#85

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#86
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Apple products are manufactured in China and have been for years.

But in big letters above it are "DESIGNED IN CALIFORNIA" and that deception works for most people.

Funny, when i see "designed in california" i think "warm all year round, so that's why my iphone shuts down when i take it out in the -20 C winter air".

They should try to design in more places with varying climates. And considering the shitty mbpro keyboard, they should also try taking their laptops shudder outside to see how they work in a dusty environment.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

I'm not really sure it's Apples job to advocate for policies in a foreign country. They're a business, not a nation state. I think the extent to which privacy is valued is up for the Chinese to decide. Not really a fan of American companies engaging in corporate activism abroad.

Almost all people are employed by companies. If companies don’t advocate for human rights that means that almost noone will except for politicians and the unemployed.

We should expect more civil responsibility from companies since they have a strong influence over the time, speech, health, purchasing-power, and labor of nearly all citizens.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

#88

Anyone have a good resource of backdoor / spy / sketchy China computer manufacturing things? I always see info about the Huawei scandal for example, and I would love to read a great write up of more specific technical details of things going on

Intel CPUs have a closed-source management engine inside, does it matter if there will be one more backdoor?

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

Stability at the cost of cultural genocide (Uighyrs).

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

> What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China

Economically speaking, the standard of living for the average Chinese person has improved dramatically in recent decades, precisely because of foreign manufacturers locating operations there. Would you rather have the Chinese regime oppressing the people with their current level of wealth, or the same regime oppressing a people with 1% of their current wealth (e.g. North Korea)? Please note, I am in no way supporting the Chinese state or oppression of any kind. I'm merely saying that removing manufacturing from China would definitely have a negative impact on the people.

> They stand for rights and privacy only when it does not interfere with their revenue stream

Their "stand for rights and privacy" helps improve their revenue stream: it is marketing. Same story for any green initiatives, diversity initiatives, etc. It's all marketing to cast a positive corporate image with consumers.

Now for the flip side: if enough people raise a stink about Chinese manufacturing to the point that revenues begin to decline due to that fact, then the corporation will relocate its operations.

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