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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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I am not sure if this is a good move on Apple's part in the long term, both parties, Republicans & Democrats, have shown a lot of ire for China. I don't think this will go unpunished. But perhaps they believe that the Chinese market is vastly more valuable than the US and are willing to eat any cost the US may levy against it in the future.

If I were them I'd have just moved it to Vietnam or India.

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

I think the parent agree with you, and tried to imply that China is indeed more stable than the US, and that was scaring him.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

It probably explains the at least $4,000 markup between the cost of the hardware and the final price. They've gotta pay those tariffs and pass the losses onto consumers who don't care about spending $6,000 for an 8-core CPU, 32gb of ECC ram, an R580X and 256 SSD.

You'd have to be drinking a lot of fucking Kool Aid as any sort of creative professional to think MacOS is worth that premium above alternative tools in either Linux or Windows 10.

Apple deciding to move production to an economically hostile country and shutter more American jobs only adds injury to insult.

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Basing your business and basing your production are quite different. Apple has likely done the math on the cost of their relations with their manufacturer going belly up against the additional savings from having their production done in china.

I don't know that you could say Apple is based anywhere. Their offices are in the US, they have finances in Ireland (I think?), and their production is in China. They just put stuff where it's cheapest and drawdown is minimized in the event of a catastrophe. It's all thought out, I'm sure.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability?

Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China?

Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect any modified hardware would be targeted, not every single computer. You probably shouldn't order a computer online if this is your threat model, and instead pay for one off the shelf.

Was more curious to just HOW it's done / been done

Some examples:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/cisco-partners-sell-fake-route...

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/cisco_shippin...

https://photographylife.com/fake-memory-cards

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

Desperately trying to keep stability isn't evidence of stability, it's evidence that the leadership thinks they aren't stable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

The US is not talking about starting a war. President Trump has been very clear he wants to avoid war.

Trump may not want to go to war but he's surrounded himself with people (e.g. Bolton) who do.
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