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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by wingerlang »

thinkingemote wrote: post #574
wingerlang wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I’m saying is that the notch doesn’t FEEL like it removes screen for me, rather ticks away the status bar making the notch “issue” not an issue at all.

So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?

Well “logically” I absolutely hated it when it was announced, like it is a ridiculous thing to do.

Actually using it and I don’t mind it a single bit, and that’s all that matters. I bet most people hating on it have not used it more than minutes.

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Post by kevinslashslash »

sgc wrote: post #615
simonh wrote: post #521

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And if you have no interest in Face ID that's reasonable preference.

Are you saying face ID is so fragile moving the camera 1 inch or less than an inch to the right kills all functionality? You manage to line your phone up so precisely each time you use it?

Not OP, but I believe he's talking about how the iPhone's large notch size is due to additional hardware used by face id. Having that size notch on the left/right side wouldn't be much better than in the center. Personally, I'd rather use my fingerprint anyway.

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Post by teekert »

simonh wrote: post #518
LoSboccacc wrote: post #498

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it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had not a notch there, there would have not been a need to move away the chin to maintain visual symmetry. anyway even with most manufacturer producing notch design, I still find no benefit that entices me to move to a notch model for a feature that adds a total of…

A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.

Privacy? Have you read what Play services sends home?

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Post by emsy »

foldr wrote: post #618
bayareanative wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

>community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism Shrug. I prefer MacBooks because the trackpads are better, and trackpad usability is more important to me than the other stuff.

Ignorance is a bliss.

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Post by AimForTheBushes »

m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users.

This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

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Post by bluedino »

jessewmc wrote: post #339
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

I cannot imagine defending the move to 100% usb-c ports. An iphone out of the box cannot be connected to a new mac laptop. It's complete insanity. The rest of the world isn't there yet. Every single person I know who owns a usb-c mac laptop owns a $100 dongle that they carry everywhere with them. For me being able to plug in USB type-A is a non-negotiable part of using a laptop still, 4 years after the move. Same wit…

>> An iphone out of the box cannot be connected to a new mac laptop.

If they included a USB-C cable, everyone would complain that they needed a USB A cable

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Post by sb636 »

bayareanative wrote: post #612
webbrahmin wrote: post #607

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

I was part of that unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist community for many years. Except not for apple. For PC. I switched over to a mbp this past year after having used countless different PC laptops over the past ten years, and my god, my mbp just feels so much better than my previous laptops in so many ways. Yes there are shortcomings, but the overall user experience is nothing to gloss over.

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

bayareanative wrote: post #612
webbrahmin wrote: post #607

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

> I have a Lenovo T480 which is 10x better than a T490. Snag one while you can...

The T490 is a regression, I agree, but the upcoming Lenovo P53 looks to be a great machine. It has almost same chassis (just a couple improved ports) as the P52, which is (IMO) superior to the T480. And you can get it with Linux installed at the factory!

There seems to be a consistent slide, where once-venerable machines like the Macbook "Pro", Lenovo T-series, HP Elitebook etc. get slimmed and down-spec'ed to expand the market to more buyers.

Hopefully the Apple can now produce a new top-end product line, the "Macbook Actually For Professionals Again" or something like that. Then they could continue marketing to and designing for students and media consumers with the MBP, and release better hardware for those who need it.

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Post by AimForTheBushes »

bayareanative wrote: post #612
webbrahmin wrote: post #607

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

My MBP is the best machine I've ever owned. I bought it brand new in 2015 and it is still just as good as the day I got it. Your comparison is unfair given that there have been excellent machines in the past 5 years but they lost focus in the past 3 years.

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Post by AimForTheBushes »

hevi_jos wrote: post #629
bayareanative wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

"- community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism" Why do you feel the urge to insult those that do not see the world like you do? You call them "unrealistic", so it makes you fell realistic. "brainwashed" so it makes you feel clear minded. "tribalist" so it makes you feel individually intelligent. "lack perspective", so you believe you have perspective. The fact is that some…

He made a lot of good points and then his entire argument went out the window in the last sentence.
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