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My view is quite different. They're just stories that anyone could have told and don't contain any unobtainable wisdom. The people that told those stories simply existed before us. In many ways the stories are inferior to their modern counterparts.

The argument here is not about quality. It is about relevance. Specifically, these old works have largely determined our current culture. If you want to understand the current culture, it pays to have some knowledge of what it was based on.

I know it's about relevance. I'm making the unpopular argument that these ancient works aren't really all that relevant, and definitely aren't profound. Simply because something is old and was the first to do something, doesn't make it important.

We have our own culture now, we spend far too much time worrying about what the dead did with their limited free time.

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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- The DRM of Netflix is irrelevant. The people who want to download the movies will do it anyway, but their number got way lower once Netflix (and probably Hulu and others like them) got a large enough catalog. People like convenience and are willing to pay for it. - I couldn't immediately find the article where he announced that HE uploaded his books (as an experiment), but here is one of the many articles where he…

The number of people willing to download movies and TV shows is going to only get higher now that the movie streaming space is getting balkanized, and Netflix in particular is shedding its catalogue faster than my cat sheds its fur. I pay for Netflix. I'm probably going to reduce my plan in the next month or two, to buy a subscription to HBO. Sure. But there's no way in hell I'm going to pay for Netflix and HBO and H…

Exactly this. I pay for Netflix, YouTube Premium, Amazon Prime, and BT TV. Recently all of my friends were talking about Chernobyl. It's not on any of these services (Sky TV exclusive in the UK). I take pride in paying for my entertainment and software but I'm not signing up to yet another streaming service just to watch a 5 episode miniseries.

So I torrented it. Same goes for the movies that I can't legally watch any other way.

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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> If we merely had the same copyright we had when the country first formed, this entire "your books turn off thing" would possibly be completely acceptable: a subset of works would be onerous and somewhat annoying for 28 years, after which you could literally do whatever you want with them Also, the US didn't respect any other country's copyrights or patents so anything published outside the US would be free immediat…

Yes, I believe Charles Dickens was the first to near simultaneously publish in both the UK and US. Cant imagine the US letting other countries get away with that now.

A story I heard about Dickens was him landing in the US and finding his latest book already in print there, unauthorised.

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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> Hamlet talks about the human condition and coming to terms with your own mortality. So? Who cares? I don't think I ever read Hamlet. It was just entertainment, no different than a television show today.

There are definitely very good and thought-provoking television shows today. I would definitely be in favour of students watching them in class too. But that doesn't mean that books and other creative media made more than 40 years ago are useless. For one thing, books written in the past give us insight into our history (I hope we can both agree that learning about our history is a good thing). For another, some of t…

> I can't imagine anyone trying to apply this logic to any field other than literature.

It's about going obsolete. We don't teach people how to use an abacus anymore, or even write in cursive.

I'm not saying there's not a place for history, but it's time to stop fawning over things that happened 200 years ago and focus on more modern things.

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Unfortunately we'll have to see it to truly believe it. I don't doubt Valve would do that, but it's easy to say that now. Luckily, we still have torrents to help backup old games.

right... like what if Valve actually even intends to do it, but it requires someone to throw a switch and the last guy that knows how to (or even just to) do that dies suddenly just before Valve suddenly goes bankrupt.

Not even that - what if they're bought out by another company who doesn't share their philosophy? (EA?)

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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This is why DRM isn't just anti-consumer, it's also morally evil using the same logic that says libraries are a good thing. This is also why I buy games on gog.com instead of steam if they both have them.

Have you found a solution to piracy that doesn't involve DRM? What was its success rate? I'm sure the publishers would love to switch to a better system if it exists.

I recall an author flooding the relevant network (Bittorent) with an incomplete "pirate" version of her own book.

It did have a measurable (and positive) impact on sales. Not sure how much of a solution that is, but at least it worked this one time.

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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Every piece of DRM'd content will end up like this. Every book, movie, show, album, and game will be dead in a few decades (or sooner) if it relies on some company maintaining it's servers. It's good that there's alternatives, but it seems like the alternatives are slowly diminishing.

Take this with a grain of salt, but Steam support says there are "measures in place" to ensure users have access to DRM'd games when steam dies [0]. (Not to mention that it's trivially easy to remove Steam DRM with existing tools) https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/18mzcn/i_asked_steam...

> there are "measures in place" to ensure users have access to DRM'd games when steam dies

What about when Steam gets gobbled up by $other_industry_giant?

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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Yes, I believe Charles Dickens was the first to near simultaneously publish in both the UK and US. Cant imagine the US letting other countries get away with that now.

A story I heard about Dickens was him landing in the US and finding his latest book already in print there, unauthorised.

That's what I heard, so for his next book.....

Re: “The books will stop working.”

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post #156

This is why when I buy a DRM ebook, I also get the pirated copy and put it into my Calibre. Buying a ebook is just for the payment.

You just signaled that you find value in the DRM'd product, even if that wasn't your intent. Why not reward creators who choose to distribute their works without DRM? I'm neither pro nor anti-DRM, but I find that people who love to hate on DRM (nothing personal towards you), never seem to be willing to take a hit when it comes to living without popular content that doesn't exist on non-DRM channels/platforms.

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Re: “The books will stop working.”

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You just signaled that you find value in the DRM'd product, even if that wasn't your intent. Why not reward creators who choose to distribute their works without DRM? I'm neither pro nor anti-DRM, but I find that people who love to hate on DRM (nothing personal towards you), never seem to be willing to take a hit when it comes to living without popular content that doesn't exist on non-DRM channels/platforms.

> Why not reward creators who choose to distribute their works without DRM? Your average author doesn't have a choice in this, they have no clout to dictate terms to their publishers over the inclusion of DRM

But it is us, consumers, who don't give the authors the clout they need, by continuing to buy DRM'd content.
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