Is this a surprise to anyone in this community?
Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
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I appreciate your comments in this thread. But could you please stop baiting people on this point? If there's one thing I've learned from running HN it's that the generalizations about the community that people come up with are invariably wrong. They're overgeneralized from a small sample of what the generalizer happened to notice—and since we're far more likely to notice what rubs us the wrong way, the results alway…
Thanks for the mild rebuke dang, I think you do a great job meta-moderating this community. I wish I had stayed out of this from the beginning, I see no merit in arguing about whether HN has some themes. I’ve been watching it daily for a long time as you can tell from the age of the account. If you want to do something that would be both a good call as a mod and a favor to a longtime user, just whack this whole threa…
I have to say I strongly disagree—I thought your contributions were excellent, and HN lucky to have you contributing on a topic that you know a ton about. If I contributed to your feeling otherwise then I wish I hadn't posted!
One thing I can offer from years here is: never underestimate the silent readership (I'd say silent majority but...associations). The vast majority of readers don't comment and most don't vote either. It doesn't mean they aren't following and getting a lot out of what you wrote. Usually it's only the most-provoked segment of the long tail that is motivated to respond. That's fine, it's the cycle of life on the internet—but it doesn't represent the whole community.
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#503Could anti-competitive suit be raised towards google regarding their reCaptcha? They aiming to have (if not already) a crawler blocking tool that obviously doesn't block their own crawler. Doesn't that sound a bit dystopian?
You can block googles crawler with robots.txt
Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
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Your comment adds a lot to the conversation, so I don’t want to be more contrary than necessary. It’s nonetheless a shame that it’s so universally misunderstood how ad-supported megacorps make their money that even highly sophisticated users of the web still talk about the value of personal data (source: I ran Facebook’s ads backend for years). Much like the highest information-gain feature for the future price of a…
> It’s nonetheless a shame that it’s so universally misunderstood how ad-supported megacorps make their money that even highly sophisticated users of the web still talk about the value of personal data (source: I ran Facebook’s ads backend for years). That may be the case for some people, but that is not my complaint, nor that of many folks I know. I simply don't care how FB, Google and other surveillance outfits mak…
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#505Congratulations to the reporter who found reCAPTCHA after 10 years
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Install the PrivacyPass Firefox or Chrome extension. It was developed by Cloudflare, Firefox, and Tor in partnership. It has you answer a ReCAPTCHA and using some crypto magic, generate a bunch of CAPTCHA bypass tokens that can't be traced to your specific computer. https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/11500199265... https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-supports-privacy-pass... https://blog.cloudflare.c…
Does not work with Tor. The plugin requires "privacy passes". Those passes can be obtained by solving captchas, but when trying to do so, one is greeted with this message about being blocked: https://i.imgur.com/qXJfl6J.png
Slightly off-topic, but the users who use Tor regularly, how do you do that? For me, it has been terribly slow every time I tried to use it.
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Yes. Your point? It’s actually ridiculously easy to be compliant with GDPR. Edit: That is, ridiculously easy for new companies. Incumbents have been hoarding data for too long and it was actually harder for existing companies to become compliant.
If you don’t think that lawyer fees scale linearly with regulation complexity you’re either an early Uber employee or mistaken. When you’ve built a social consumer business in Europe that is profitable after compliance, send me a term sheet.
Why would you need lawyer fees? How is GDPR complex?
It literally is:
- you only store data you require to run your business
- you delete data if customer requested deletion
- you give the customer their data if they ask for it
If your profitable business is built upon selling customer data wholesale to third parties, then good riddance.
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I enjoyed reading what you said as a different perspective on the backend of ad technology vs privacy up until this comment thread. I didn't build a profitable social consumer business in Europe after compliance, but I was part of a team that implemented compliance for a long existing company within the US due to them having clients and client's clients in Europe. They're profitable. Do you want my term sheet? Or are…
What do you estimate the implementation costs of GDPR are? I've seen some research that put the numbers in the 10's of billions IIRC It feels like a regulatory moat for the big players who can afford it. Sorta like a complex VAT policy.
Those numbers are for existing companies who have been hoarding and selling user data with utter disregard to existing laws and user privacy.
If you do everything right from the start, the costs are minuscule.
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> GitHub is always at your disposal. NV doesn’t sell the consumer cards to enterprises. So on AWS a multi-GPU box will cost you about 12 dollars an hour. I don’t see how this is related to the claim, since it doesn’t solve the problem. But the advertising company that I let run code on my website will certainly do the job pretty well, I’d say.
I was pointing out that it’s a commercially applicable of a very strongly worded claim that I know would be expensive to test because I’m optimizing GPU intensive code at the moment. I don’t know where in this thread I generated so much ill will for trying to add knowledge to the conversation, but I’m not making shit up.
There are tools that will supposedly do this to a high degree of accuracy. Are you saying that they are fake/don't work as well as they'd want us to believe?
Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
#510Could anti-competitive suit be raised towards google regarding their reCaptcha? They aiming to have (if not already) a crawler blocking tool that obviously doesn't block their own crawler. Doesn't that sound a bit dystopian?
You can block googles crawler with robots.txt
That's not very relavant to my proposed problem. Here's an immaginary scenario: recaptcha blocks all crawlers except google's ones, how are competitors supposed to compete if they can't crawl anything despite robots.txt or whatever?