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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pentae »

asark wrote: post #135
jedberg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

I'm calling it - USB-A will still be around going strong 10 years from now. Take a stroll through a BIC Camera in Tokyo. How many USB-A accessories are still for sale? It's about 99% of the stock. I'm sure it's the same at a Best Buy in the US.

Apple and the fanboys calling it a "Legacy" port are completely out of touch with reality.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by oops »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Yeah the new keyboard is great. I love how they finally got the up and down arrow keys merged into a single key. And how the Esc/F-keys are now impossible to touchtype. The difference between me using the computer and my cat sitting on it is now approaching zero and while for me this is detrimental and potentially career-ending, it is a massive step forward for cats.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by LeicaLatte »

catacombs wrote: post #337
LeicaLatte wrote: post #331

Is this a result of the keyboard fiasco?

I doubt it. Thirty years at a company is a long time, especially if Ives worked under a strict contract. He probably wanted to be his own boss.

There is precedence for this behavior by Tim/Apple. Ask Scott Forstall.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by el_benhameen »

darkpuma wrote: post #193
fumar wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I travel frequently for work. I like having a pro machine that is light and thin. I am okay with compromises, but understand that the target audience feels differently. I believe my Macbook Pro goes more places than before due to the compactness. That includes using python, photo, design, and general office work.

Few people travel frequently, but I bet as you go higher and higher up the food chain at Apple, you find more and more frequent travelers in the social circles of those Apple employees. This might explain the apparent overemphasis on thinness.

I don't travel for work very often, but as I work remotely I do work out of coffee shops and libraries fairly frequently in order to get some time outside of the house. I have a 2016 13" mbp and I find that its weight and form factor make me much more likely to go out and work elsewhere on a whim than when I had an older 13".

I find the touch bar worse than useless, and while I like it when it works, I find the reliability of the keyboard extremely frustrating given that the machine cost over two grand. But the weight and form factor are things that I really do like about the machine.

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Post by gigatexal »

jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

If this means a more functional bias to future hardware designs that could be good but the design of the hardware is really a huge selling point for me at least with the phones. I use my iPhone X without a case and marvel even a year after buying it at its design almost everytime I pick it up.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by keerthiko »

pentae wrote: post #461
asark wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

I'm calling it - USB-A will still be around going strong 10 years from now. Take a stroll through a BIC Camera in Tokyo. How many USB-A accessories are still for sale? It's about 99% of the stock. I'm sure it's the same at a Best Buy in the US. Apple and the fanboys calling it a "Legacy" port are completely out of touch with reality.

> Apple and the fanboys calling it a "Legacy" port are completely out of touch with reality.

It is now a legacy port on Apple laptops. I think it's the correct term to use in context, regardless of fandom. It is referring to ports that existed in the past, and are being phased out on the platform in question.

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Post by Operyl »

dsego wrote: post #311
xenospn wrote: post #278

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You know, I've never had that happen to me, and I've owned multiple MacBooks and iphones over many years.

On my cables the material starts to crumble and crack. Something about that particular type of rubber. But maybe it depends on the market or where it is manufactured. I seem to remember some lasting longer than others, I think it didin't happen on the 2014 model, but did on my original 2011 charger and on the replacement I had to buy (within the first year). But the 2016 usb-c cable doesn't really have this issue I t…

I found that this happened if you are around cigarettes. Once I moved away from that family member, I’ve not had another one die in that fashion since.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by EugeneOZ »

It's good that it's happened - will raise wave of criticism Apple deserves.

It's good that Apple will remain the main client of Jony Ive - we all make mistakes, but he did a lot for devices design and I'm sure he still can push it forward. Maybe new position will give him more freedom, maybe Apple need more freedom :)

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Post by kllrnohj »

Bud wrote: post #197
PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #66

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How about decisions like removing the headphone jacks from the company's most popular music players, the very devices with which people are supposed consume the media-centric services that Tim Cook and analysts say are the future of Apple? For Apple's and consumers' sake, I hope NOT.

This decision was promptly copied by every other major phone manufacturer, for the same reasons Apple made the decision. The 3.5mm jack is obsolete and getting rid of it enables a better, tougher device which is more waterproof.

The largest non-Apple player in the industry, Samsung, continues to ship flagship phones with a 3.5mm jack and with waterproofing that has been consistently ahead of the iPhone. Samsung Galaxy has been IP68 since the S7 in 2016. Something the iPhone didn't achieve until the XS & XS Max.

The idea that this was about waterproofing is a fabrication.

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Post by r00fus »

redisman wrote: post #446
sprafa wrote: post #265

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They’ve done enormous changes since 7 to improve it. 7 was absurd - buttons looked like simple text everywhere. I always had to toggle on a function where buttons became underlined so I could use the thing. There was huge criticism even in knowledgeable design circles (see Nielsen Norman who do usability studies) that it was really really objectively worst because it was so confusing. It’s a lot better now.

Can you find a screenshot? When I just search iOS 7 in image search it looks 99% like iOS 12 to me. iOS 6 on the other hand with its drop shadows and reflections has aged super badly.

The "feel" of iOS7 was horrible. It was also buggy in many design ways.
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