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Post by usaphp »

jedberg wrote: post #102
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

I prefer the ability to easy replace my usb c cable if it gets damaged, compared to buying a new 80$ brick with MagSafe. Also the ability to charge my laptop from either side is awesome too.

Also once iPhone new iPhone will have a type c charging you will be able to use a cable from your MacBook to charge your phone, so you will only need to carry MacBook charger without worrying about a separate cable for your iPhone

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Post by usaphp »

op00to wrote: post #361
kelp wrote: post #168

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This is what we do in our office. We use airplay or a Zoom screen share. Plugging in is a last resort. I never have to do that.

Rip your battery?

If you have access to a tv or a projector - it probably means there is a power outlet that you can use to charge your laptop

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Post by jjeaff »

karmelapple wrote: post #387
asark wrote: post #135

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I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

I’d tend to agree, although look at the success of new connection technologies Apple pioneered when they were coupled with things that already did similar things. FireWire, all speeds: was always coupled with USB or other tech that possibly didn’t carry data as fast as FW, but was “good enough” for lots of things. FireWire never really took off aside from digital video cameras, and that got phased out over time, too.…

USB C in Chromebooks pre-dates apple's usage. And several other manufacturers were putting USB c in their devices before apple even announced. And apple still isn't using it in their phones.

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Post by jedberg »

sprafa wrote: post #241
filoleg wrote: post #169

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Can confirm, it has been great. No more running around the office trying to find another macbook user when I accidentally leave my charger at home. I just easily roll up to anyone using a newer Lenovo laptop (that charges with USB-C) and use their charger. Ironically, it happens more often than not the other way around. Anecdote incoming. When I had to use a Lenovo laptop last month for a week as my on-call machine,…

Controversial opinion: Microsoft is making better hardware design decisions and better hardware design overall than Apple atm. It’s the software which continues to be the issue for me.

Microsoft has always had great hardware. I’ve been using a Microsoft keyboard for 20 years, even with all my macs, and up until I got a Magic Trackpad unused a Microsoft mouse too.

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Post by xfkechyk »

interlocutor wrote: post #152

Apple used to be known for their amazing designs. That was when Steve was running the company. Since his death Apple has been in a free fall in the design space. Most of the comments here seem to be about their awful hardware design. Yes, the thin macbook is not very usable, and the Homepod which is shaped like an amorphous blob is uglier than any Bose speaker. But what about their software? Their UI design is super…

maybe they'll finally add an app drawer so you're not forced to organize every single app in a tedious fashion across multiple home screens

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

amluto wrote: post #176
fumar wrote: post #36

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I travel frequently for work. I like having a pro machine that is light and thin. I am okay with compromises, but understand that the target audience feels differently. I believe my Macbook Pro goes more places than before due to the compactness. That includes using python, photo, design, and general office work.

Do you actually need the thin part or just the light part? I used to amuse people by demonstrating that my not-at-all-sexy ThinkPad weighed less than the original MacBook Air despite being a lot thicker and more powerful. The recent iPhones in particular bother me. What’s the point of being mostly thin if the camera lens sticks out and snags on things?

A thin laptop is much easier to lug around, it has changed my wardrobe from a huge backpack to increasingly compact folios.

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Post by endemic »

amluto wrote: post #176
fumar wrote: post #36

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I travel frequently for work. I like having a pro machine that is light and thin. I am okay with compromises, but understand that the target audience feels differently. I believe my Macbook Pro goes more places than before due to the compactness. That includes using python, photo, design, and general office work.

Do you actually need the thin part or just the light part? I used to amuse people by demonstrating that my not-at-all-sexy ThinkPad weighed less than the original MacBook Air despite being a lot thicker and more powerful. The recent iPhones in particular bother me. What’s the point of being mostly thin if the camera lens sticks out and snags on things?

They even hid the camera bump in promotional depictions.

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Post by allenleee »

Ben Thompson wrote an article[1] about this problem in 2015 after Ive just got "promoted".

From the article:

In my estimation, whether Ive intends it or not — and I think he likely does, for what it’s worth — this is the beginning of the end of his time at Apple. To give up “management” in exchange for “thinking freely” is, when it comes to business, akin to shifting from product-focused R&D to exploratory R&D. Steve Jobs was very clear on the consequences of that approach:

"One of the things I’ve always found is that you’ve got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can’t start with the technology and try to figure out where you’re going to try to sell it. And I’ve made this mistake probably more than anybody else in this room. And I got the scar tissue to prove it."

I found this quote/clip in this excellent Gruber piece, Working Backwards to the Technology; the analogy I’m trying to draw is that just as the best way to ensure that great technologies make it to market is to start with the product and work backwards, inventing along the way, the best way to lead an organization’s design direction is to lead the organization, and that means managing. And that is what Ive is giving up.

[1]: "Jony Ive “Promoted”, The Implications of Not Managing, What About Apple?"

https://stratechery.com/2015/jony-ive-promoted-the-implicati...

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Post by LeicaLatte »

valleyer wrote: post #439
LeicaLatte wrote: post #348

What happened to the Beatles after the death of John Lennon? How did the Doors manage themselves creatively after Jim? It is going to be fascinating to see how Apple manages creativity, collaboration and inspiration hereon.

In case you're being serious, the Beatles broke up ten years before Lennon died.

Dead serious.
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