not sure how Google can keep making their product worst and keep getting more customers...
Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
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Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
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search “HN levels.fyi”
I appreciate your comments in this thread. But could you please stop baiting people on this point? If there's one thing I've learned from running HN it's that the generalizations about the community that people come up with are invariably wrong. They're overgeneralized from a small sample of what the generalizer happened to notice—and since we're far more likely to notice what rubs us the wrong way, the results alway…
Thanks for the mild rebuke dang, I think you do a great job meta-moderating this community.
I wish I had stayed out of this from the beginning, I see no merit in arguing about whether HN has some themes. I’ve been watching it daily for a long time as you can tell from the age of the account.
If you want to do something that would be both a good call as a mod and a favor to a longtime user, just whack this whole thread. I was trying to chime in with some knowledge but just wound up pissing everyone off.
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> when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter I work at a FAANG: here’s my complaint about being spied on.
So your comments should be at the top. You’re knowledgeable on the subject and even if we disagree that should be upweighted in a perfect world.
:/
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If you don’t think that lawyer fees scale linearly with regulation complexity you’re either an early Uber employee or mistaken. When you’ve built a social consumer business in Europe that is profitable after compliance, send me a term sheet.
I enjoyed reading what you said as a different perspective on the backend of ad technology vs privacy up until this comment thread. I didn't build a profitable social consumer business in Europe after compliance, but I was part of a team that implemented compliance for a long existing company within the US due to them having clients and client's clients in Europe. They're profitable. Do you want my term sheet? Or are…
Ouch. And classy
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Me spilling tea about the business is far more in the spirit of a whistleblower than a shill. I have nothing to gain and everything to lose by shedding light on one of the most powerful entities in existence. But TLDR it’s not as interesting as people like to think.
You can gain internet points on a social website…
Check my join date, I have less than 500 points. If I was just like “foo is evil” every time foo came up up I’d have like 10^3 more.
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How about our friends and family? Should we configure a VPN for them too? Btw the argument you just made applies to any form of surveillance or censorship. Just because your can still find functional VPN services for China, is China's great firewall OK? And what happens when web services start blocking VPNs? Netflix does it quite successfully. And I'm sure Cloudflare could provide such a service for free.
I’m not making a moral argument for the surveillance state, I wear Curve25519 on one arm and the word “citizenfour” on the other. I agree that there is a vast and almost impossible to regulate overreach by these companies. Your argument is extremely compelling. But when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter.
Precautionary principle
Read it. Understand it. Apply it.
The burden of proof is on you/FAANGs.
Re: Google’s new reCAPTCHA has a dark side
#467There are a lot of sites that are totally unusable on Firefox regardless how much you use ff. I do all my mobile browsing on FF yet when I try to use some websites I always get this Recaptcha failed error(1) while it works flawlessly on chrome though I never use it often. Try it, maybe it will happen for you too. Same happens on most sites which show you that "checking your browser" page via cloudflare too. The web i…
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With Firefox fingerprint resisting turned on and with Ublock Origin/UMatrix, I get a score of 0.1. And I'm not even on a VPN; I'm sure on my home network I'd have an even lower score. To me, it feels like Google's entire strategy behind reCaptcha is to make it harder to protect your privacy. We've basically given up on the idea that there are tasks only humans can do, and to me V3 feels like Google openly saying, "Yo…
> it feels like Google's entire strategy behind reCaptcha is to make it harder to protect your privacy For the irony, I'm still logged into GMail and it still works perfectly, as basic HTML, even with google.com forbidden to run scripts. But it's the flippin' reCaptchas all over the place that make me temp-allow google.com, and then a reload later, temp-allow gstatic.com and reload again. Only then I get to use someo…
I see 0.9
I loaded https://recaptcha-demo.appspot.com/recaptcha-v3-request-scor.... several times and the score did NOT change.
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I prefer to see the silver lining in this. If Google wants to break the web for Firefox, fine. I'll keep using (and evangelising) FF, and the sites that are broken won't get FF traffic. I believe that FF is doing the right thing far users, and Google, while in a powerful position is currently on the losing side of history with respect to privacy. Apple is taking that fight to them, and putting budget behind inte conv…
Only the majority of the Internet isn't a walled garden is it? It's more like a minefield because you don't know whether a site is going to use recaptcha and block/hinder your access. You can't just opt out of using half the Internet because you value privacy, and nor should you have to. This requires legislation to stop.
As long as government sites don’t use it, it’s fine. You don’t need legislation for every single offense, perceived or otherwise. If you don’t like ReCaptcha, block it with an ad blocker and if a site requires it, don’t use it and let them know why. Also let all your friends and random strangers on the internet know why.
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> The question is “If it weren’t FB who would be doing it instead?” [...] “Should cheap digital cameras be illegal?” Those are a complete non-sequitur. Facebook (and Google) analyse every single photo that goes through their system with state-of-the-art ML (it's so good that it almost beat humans at matching faces ~5 years ago). This is a scale of surveillance which the human race has never encountered before in our…
I think you overestimate the degree to which SOTA computer vision is applied to a lot of images online, and I think bringing East Germany into it is pretty out of line.
I think you're feigning offense to avoid addressing the substance of his comment.