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Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by archon »

jarin wrote: post #109
G_Wen wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf Here's a PDF analyzing the effectiveness of firearms. It was written in 1989 so it is a bit out of date. Perhaps someone with more experience with firearms can check to see if the article is still relevant. It does confirm that "Even if the heart is instantly destroyed, there is sufficient oxygen in the brain to support full and complete voluntary action for 10-15 seco…

So there might be something to the idea that you stay conscious for a bit after getting beheaded?

Supposedly, the chemist Antoine Lavoisier[1], who was beheaded during the French Revolution, asked his assistant to quickly retrieve his head after the blade fell and count how long he could blink his eyes. The head blinked in the range of 12-15 times.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisier

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by ramchip »

gcr wrote: post #47
rdl wrote: post #8

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Aside from the ease of sound suppressing them, and the small size of the weapons, there is a reason some of the best hit squads in the world use the .22lr! Admittedly, a .22WMR is pretty much a different animal than the .22lr. Out of a rifle, it would have probably been a through and through, assuming a FMJ bullet -- you'd probably get 2000fps for a 40gr. A JSP might not have, and out of a Ruger Single Six, it's a lo…

You must have a pretty sweet graphics card to get 2000 FPS.

He must have thrown his graphics card very hard to reach 2000 FPS.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

JonnieCache wrote: post #89
mgarfias wrote: post #84

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What the heck? There are millions of us. There are several industries revolving around people who "hack" their weapons. Whether its a new handguard on your AR-15, or buying 10 lbs of gunpowder there are people that can help you out. In fact, I'd say that there are more of them, than hackers.

I was more thinking of DIY firearms/firearm modification. That would seem very dangerous to me. It is quite common for criminals in the UK to "re-bore" replica or deactivated weapons. It is also very common for these guns to backfire, killing the shooter. The idea of gun hacking simply put me in mind of these sad occurrences. I'm not suggesting anyone is a mouth breathing redneck, or an inept criminal for that matter…

To understand the difference between you Brits and us Yanks, please Google "anvil shooting".

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by kondro »

Sigh... Amaercians and their second amendment.

There is so much anecdotal evidence in this thread. I thought that the HN community would have a greater adversion to firearms as even their ownership by a community increases the chance of fatal violence.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by dkarl »

philwelch wrote: post #107
dkarl wrote: post #94

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I heard a story, possibly an urban legend, that the Israeli army had classified a particularly underpowered .22 rifle as a "less lethal" weapon so they could use it to shoot protesters, juvenile rock-throwers, and other targets with which they were supposed to exercise a certain amount of restraint. Soldiers then measured their marksmanship by how lethal they could be with this "less lethal" weapon until the governme…

"a story, possibly an urban legend, [about] the Israeli army" In other words, "anti-Semitic libel"?

Not necessarily. In the context I heard it in, it was anti-Palestinian.

P.S. To go further, the guy who told me the story was planning on buying such a gun if he could confirm it, just to have a conversation piece. Plus the story sounds perfectly in line with the bizarre results you get when bureaucrats are asked to classify things.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by noonespecial »

I learned by talking to law enforcement types that used to hang around our computer store that unlike the "violent ballet" in movies most gunfights unfold with both combatants clumsily emptying their weapons in each others general direction, then staggering out to wait for the paramedics.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by bootload »

niels_olson wrote: post #95

Doc with a degree in physics, previously a weapons and anti-terrorism officer on an aircraft carrier and recently (a year ago) took the combined forces combat casualty care course, and have done a few trauma rotations in inner-city ERs (New Orleans and Norfolk). Chapter 1 of the Emergency War Surgery Manual (updated in 2006 to collect lessons learned from Iraq and Afghanistan) dedicates Chapter 1 to dispelling miscon…

"... took the combined forces combat casualty care course, and have done a few trauma rotations in inner-city ERs (New Orleans and Norfolk) ..."

Interesting read. Knowing "how" to react and "reacting" in a appropriate, timely manner in a chaotic environment is a big jump even with the right kind of practice (as opposed to fake practice: http://bootload.posterous.com/through-my-eyes-fake-practice ) especially at the first response end. How do you train for the gap between working in calm controlled environments to chaotic ones?

Cudo's, HM's ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Hospital_Cor... are well trained because sometimes they are the closest to medical aid you get and as such are much respected.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by giardini »

dkarl wrote: post #65

About fifteen years ago I read a book summarizing research into the effects of different types and calibers of handguns and handgun ammunition. (Long story short: Clinton was trying to ban semiautomatic handguns or something, so my dad developed a sudden interest in buying a gun, and he borrowed some books from a friend who was quite an enthusiast.) The study was a survey of thousands of police reports on shootings,…

I cannot help but believe that, in the story of the roommates' fight, the calibers of the handguns involved has been inadvertently swapped. The story then becomes much more credible.

Most civil war revolvers are .36 and .44 (very close to .45) and one shot to the heart would easily be fatal. It is not unheard of for someone to suffer multiple .22 shots to the chest yet suffer little injury. However it _is_ simply unheard of for someone to suffer six .45 shots to the chest yet walk around for days.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by bwhite »

Zak wrote: post #56
bwhite wrote: post #43

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Sound suppression is largely a function of relatively slowly bleeding off the gas that results from combustion. There is not much powder in a 22lr (22 long-rifle) round, which is why it is easily suppressible. I can make no particular comment as to the frequency of their use by the best hit squads in the world. The subject of the article was shot with a 22WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) round. This round can use the…

The story describes a single-action revolver, which the Single Six is not The Single Six is, in fact a single-action revolver. See manufacturer's product page: http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelSingleSix/firearms.htm...

+1. My brain read Security Six. I think I suppressed a mediocre Single Six experience and foregrounded the delightfulness of the Security Six.

Re: Getting shot by a handgun

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Post by bwhite »

mgarfias wrote: post #81
commandar wrote: post #58

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> There is not much powder in a 22lr (22 long-rifle) round, which is why it is easily suppressible. Also, .22LR ammunition is generally subsonic outside of hotter loadings. This avoids the characteristic supersonic crack of higher velocity cartridges.

Sorry, but .22 Long Rifle is generally loaded supersonic from the test fixtures, even in the standard loadings. A pistol (assuming a 6" bbl) is really close to supersonic, if not a bit over. It'll vary by weapon and air density. Now, you could use one of the other rimfire variations (.22 Short, .22 Long, .22 CB) which generally will fire from a .22 LR chamber. These would most likely get you subsonic velocities. Anot…

As the saying goes, if OSHA were in charge suppressors would be mandatory.
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