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YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

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Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

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post #23

This doesn’t really solve some of the more concerning things about recommendations, which is the gradual ease into more extreme content. i.e., “super Mario speedrun” to “Top 10 speedrunning fails” to “Super Mario speedrunner gets owned” to “Why women shouldn’t be allowed to play video games” or other such hogwash.

If only it took that many hops. You can probably get from the first video straight to the last one with no steps in between.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#132
post #37

YouTube recommendations are terrible. Is there some service somewhere that does a better job with YouTube videos? Google has historically been unfriendly towards third party API use, but here's hoping.

Agreed, I click through them once in a while when I'm bored and it consists mostly of stuff I've already watched mixed with stuff I have chosen not to watch from channels I follow combined with random crap. The most annoying thing is that it just fills your feed with stuff similar to whatever you recently did. This is made worse by the fact that they only show a handful of recommendations. The only way to get new rec…

I kind of disagree on what you try to accomplish in your second half. If you want to live here, you should be exposed to local culture and language, and have a somewhat hard time retreating into your own, separate filter bubble. Sure, Youtube could find more effective ways to achieve that, maybe by more gradually introducing you to it (especially language). But with their current capabilities, I'd vote for them pushing location based crap over not doing anything.

ps: So angenehm wieder nen Tag mit halbwegs überlebbarem Wetter zu haben.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

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> While YouTube is introducing the feature now, this kind of tool is pretty common place on other digital services. Spotify Technology SA has a version for artists people don’t want to hear from.

Where!? I've been missing this Spotify feature for ages. I do not like Mastodon. I do not want Spotify to ever automatically put on Mastodon. It keeps putting on Mastodon.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#134
post #67

I thought for a moment they were going to turn off recommendations. For users not signed in, they are on by default. Instead this is like asking users to click thumbs up or down in response to an ad, "Don't show me this ad again" or fill out a survey about the ads. The issue is not that the user is annoyed by a specific toxic video. That is only the effect, not the cause. The issue is that Google's recommendation sys…

> Either fix it to stop promoting "popular" garbage (which is "popular" because it is auto-recommended and auto-played), or turn if off by default. Or maybe people like content that you don't? People aren't drones who watch something because it was shovelled into their watch next. Chances are it was decent content. For them. If you consider this a dark pattern then you probably need to get a better perspective. There…

This is a reasonable thought, but how do you explain the new meme comment along the lines of "What the hell was this doing in my recommended?"

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#135
post #124

The main thing I want them to do is not to keep repeatedly showing me the same videos I've already watched. They have little bars under them that show I've watched them all the way through, it shouldn't be that hard.

I'm really confused as to why they do this: there must be hundreds of people and hundreds of millions of $s working on the YouTube algo. I'm seemingly in the minority that thinks it's largely brilliant, it regularly uncovers things that are related to stuff that I'm interested in but new takes on them, and sometimes throws up some absolute genius recommendation from nowhere. However, like you, my "Up Next" selection…

I have two behaviours; TV-program-style videos I'll watch once, and music-style videos I'll watch repeatedly.

My theory is they have difficulty telling the difference, so they think the fact I've watched "80s-90s Hip Hop & R&B Playlist" repeatedly indicates I'd also like to watch "Plumbing bottle air vent teardown" repeatedly.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#137
post #65

I just want to stop seeing an ad that drives my spouse absolutely insane. Nope. No option to not see it anymore.

I'd always assumed you could block specific ads or advertisers since there's a button on each ad with a menu for that (on the circled i button). But when I just tried it, it refused because it said personalized ads were turned off, even though there were turned on. So I guess that's just another weirdly broken pretend-feature.

Before I got YouTube premium I'd try that button on some ads that were annoying and repetitive (Grammarly) but it made no difference and the same ads kept showing.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Either fix it to stop promoting "popular" garbage (which is "popular" because it is auto-recommended and auto-played), or turn if off by default. Or maybe people like content that you don't? People aren't drones who watch something because it was shovelled into their watch next. Chances are it was decent content. For them. If you consider this a dark pattern then you probably need to get a better perspective. There…

This is a reasonable thought, but how do you explain the new meme comment along the lines of "What the hell was this doing in my recommended?"

Maybe I'm in some weird minima on an algorithm but my recommendations have always been rock solid. All I can really share is my own data point though.

Re: YouTube Lets Users Override Recommendations After Criticism

#139
post #13

I'd be happy if it would stop recommending I watch videos I have already watched all the way through.

This is a flaw of the fundamental nature of the service. If it were a clientside application, keeping track of your entire viewing history forever would be trivial. But because it's on a remote server, keeping everyones history forever would be very difficult. I would guess they're probably using a bloom filter and just not dedicating enough resources to it per-user. Or, maybe even more likely, they ran 1 experiment 1 time on a few users and discovered that re-watching previously watched content was popular and extrapolated from that - ignoring that their sample size included a great many children (since they outnumber adults) resulting in them just expecting everyone to act like children.
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