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Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Have smartphones destroyed a generation? Has the internet destroyed a generation? Have video games destroyed a generation? Has TV destroyed a generation? Has radio destroyed a generation? Have novels destroyed a generation? Each of these have been flogged ad-nauseum by the media in their time of peak popularity so that the older people can sit back with a smug quip "Kids these days..."

Did you actually read the article? Because all of the author's claims have data to match, it's not just the perennial kids these days rant. As a member of the so called iGen, I can attest anecdotally that the prevalence of anxiety and mental health issues is very real.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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What a great summary. Tho I think the part about issues our society faces is a lot bigger than those few examples. Educated people have more than ever reasons to be depressed now: - pollution - economic stagnation - inflation - antibiotics failing - global warming - debt - automation and artifical intelligence - politics failing to tackle those issues (its a circus in some countries) - issues like Brexit - natural di…

> automation and artifical intelligence Isn't this supposed to be good for us and make people's lives better? If that's not the case, then it's really something to be worried about.

Life is fundamentally about getting resources to sustain yourself. In that regard, humanity is, more and more dependent on the industry. At the same time, the industry is less and less dependent on humanity, since it is deriving more and more of its power and intelligence from machines.

We will probably reach a point the industry doesn't improve its survival ability by feeding and serving people. If that happens we will have reached a point where we do not have the ability to extract resources on our own since machines do all the critical parts of the job and we won't have the know how/or the access to resources.

Specifically:

- mining, farming and transportation is in the process of being automated away, as is manufacturing.

- in a world dominated by renewable energy, the cost of energy will depend on local weather. To optimize the logistic operations, we'll have to integrate weather predictions and adapt the flux of goods. Humans won't be able to compete with machines for that task, and logistics will also be automated away.

Once that part of the industry can work without human input, we'll be in deep trouble. The rest of the human economy is the result of accidental complexity due to the fact that meatware stems from biology.

This is the natural consequence of optimization and growth seeking. The only way to optimize human labor fast enough to be competitive is to optimize it away. If we're not economically competitive we will not survive. We are in the process of making ourselves redundant, and magic thinking makes us believe that it will end nicely.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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This article/researcher makes claims that: a) there is a mental health crisis among teenagers which is not parallel to other comparable generations, and b) that crisis is linked to mobile phones. I'm not convinced by either claim. In my experience of working with teenagers over the last couple of decades, there is a general trend that they are now better at communicating their emotional needs and emotional state. If…

What a great summary. Tho I think the part about issues our society faces is a lot bigger than those few examples. Educated people have more than ever reasons to be depressed now: - pollution - economic stagnation - inflation - antibiotics failing - global warming - debt - automation and artifical intelligence - politics failing to tackle those issues (its a circus in some countries) - issues like Brexit - natural di…

All of those things were around, and had greater effect in the 70’s and 80’s. Combine with all our jobs going overseas.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a great summary. Tho I think the part about issues our society faces is a lot bigger than those few examples. Educated people have more than ever reasons to be depressed now: - pollution - economic stagnation - inflation - antibiotics failing - global warming - debt - automation and artifical intelligence - politics failing to tackle those issues (its a circus in some countries) - issues like Brexit - natural di…

All of those things were around, and had greater effect in the 70’s and 80’s. Combine with all our jobs going overseas.

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Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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More than a mental health crisis or go outside more, the biggest harm that social+smartphone has ever done is end of creating things . The new generation is spending huge amount of time in consumption and very little in creation. This is going to be a boon for the producers (book writers, movie makers etc) who will be in short supply for much larger consumption crowd. This will eventually be reflected in massive weal…

> The new generation is spending huge amount of time in consumption and very little in creation. I think that's true for the current generation, so many adults I know don't appear to have any hobbies (creative or otherwise) whatsoever and spend every second of their free time consuming and not creating, not even consuming good content but crappy reality shows. I do more than most people I know (less than I'd like and…

Is that really new? Most adults I knew growing up didn't have hobbies. They sat around watching TV. Maybe people who see a decline had exceptional role models and weren't aware of how things were for other people.

I got into all kinds of creative hobbies because everyone around me was so boring. We were always the exception. It's been true through human history. The weirdos who go out and build a plane or a car or start a movement were always mocked and pathologized before they were venerated.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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This article/researcher makes claims that: a) there is a mental health crisis among teenagers which is not parallel to other comparable generations, and b) that crisis is linked to mobile phones. I'm not convinced by either claim. In my experience of working with teenagers over the last couple of decades, there is a general trend that they are now better at communicating their emotional needs and emotional state. If…

> This article/researcher makes claims that: a) there is a mental health crisis among teenagers which is not parallel to other comparable generations, and b) that crisis is linked to mobile phones. I'm not convinced by either claim.

You probably should be, because there are objective markers that don't depend on communication:

https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/1083015453151318016

> The article identifies that today's teenagers: get in less car accidents, have less risky sex, have a lower rate of teenage pregnancy, ingest less risky substances, are generally less violent - and presents this all as bad because it is different than what came before.

If teens are avoiding risk-seeking behaviour due to an increase in underlying anxieties, then yes, it quite literally is a problem and not just because it's different. Maybe you should give the psychologist who wrote the article the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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This article/researcher makes claims that: a) there is a mental health crisis among teenagers which is not parallel to other comparable generations, and b) that crisis is linked to mobile phones. I'm not convinced by either claim. In my experience of working with teenagers over the last couple of decades, there is a general trend that they are now better at communicating their emotional needs and emotional state. If…

What a great summary. Tho I think the part about issues our society faces is a lot bigger than those few examples. Educated people have more than ever reasons to be depressed now: - pollution - economic stagnation - inflation - antibiotics failing - global warming - debt - automation and artifical intelligence - politics failing to tackle those issues (its a circus in some countries) - issues like Brexit - natural di…

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Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a great summary. Tho I think the part about issues our society faces is a lot bigger than those few examples. Educated people have more than ever reasons to be depressed now: - pollution - economic stagnation - inflation - antibiotics failing - global warming - debt - automation and artifical intelligence - politics failing to tackle those issues (its a circus in some countries) - issues like Brexit - natural di…

All of those things were around, and had greater effect in the 70’s and 80’s. Combine with all our jobs going overseas.

> and had greater effect in the 70’s and 80’s

Maybe if you only consider the first three bullet points. The rest of the list (maybe minus brexit) is decidedly more problematic today than it was 40 years ago.

Even then, it's arguable about "pollution". Sure, we've cut pollution greatly, but we're still learning how bad we actually screwed up our environment ourselves over and how difficult it is going to be to clean up.

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Yeah, I suspect it really requires a community of like-minded parents. Camp is a good start. For what it's worth, one state in Australia just announced a ban on phones during school hours - couldn't agree more. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-25/victoria-to-ban-mobil...

That's not enough, I am afraid. I think we should think holistically, this means, don't only look at school but also at family, peer relations and society at large. In other words I propose that we should completely forbid functional smart phones for children below 10 years then officially introduce smart phones in school as a part of the school's curriculum. The curriculum also limits usage and relaxes the rules whe…

How on earth could that ever be realistically enforced?
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