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Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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This sounds similar to the (in)famous Dissenter comment functionality. What are the differences?

In the 90's there was a Windows program that offered the same functionality, called uTOK: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~orit/utok.html . IIRC it acted as a HTTP proxy to see which URLs you were fetching. Ah, the good old days where neo-nazis weren't everywhere online...

Sounds like there is a graveyard of these things. I remember Google Sidebar.

It might be called Sidewiki actually...

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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From the Firefox add-on page:

> Many websites don't allow user comments, or disable comments after a certain period of time. comntr bypasses these Orwellian restrictions by allowing anyone to leave a comment on any website, as well as read comments left by others. Furthermore, your comments cannot be censored by the website administrator.

I like the concept of the add-on, but calling moderation of your comment section "Orwellian" is pretty out there.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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These were generally called metaweb tech when they were popular about 15-20 years ago.

The problem was that everyone had to have a particular author's plugin to see the extra content.

Some of them were better than others, allowing cross referencing, citation insertion, and a number of other sophisticated features.

I don't know if they still are around.

Sites like reddit and hn are really inverted versions of this concept, fixing the basic problem that most sites don't have commentary.

What may be an interesting hybrid is to search the commentary aggregators when you land on a site and then show the hn/digg/whatever comments and permit replying if the credentials are known

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 90's there was a Windows program that offered the same functionality, called uTOK: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~orit/utok.html . IIRC it acted as a HTTP proxy to see which URLs you were fetching. Ah, the good old days where neo-nazis weren't everywhere online...

Sounds like there is a graveyard of these things. I remember Google Sidebar. It might be called Sidewiki actually...

Google Sidewiki is what I was thinking of, too. And as I recall, people were not a fan. Giving up control of your website to these anonymous, semi-invisible comments seems like a bad idea.

The description calling content moderation "orwellian" is also concerning. I think at this point we've all seen how twisted unmoderated comments get. If the platform is built on this premise then I can only guess how toxic such a community will become.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 90's there was a Windows program that offered the same functionality, called uTOK: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~orit/utok.html . IIRC it acted as a HTTP proxy to see which URLs you were fetching. Ah, the good old days where neo-nazis weren't everywhere online...

Sounds like there is a graveyard of these things. I remember Google Sidebar. It might be called Sidewiki actually...

I guess StumbleUpon had comments feature too.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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From the Firefox add-on page: > Many websites don't allow user comments, or disable comments after a certain period of time. comntr bypasses these Orwellian restrictions by allowing anyone to leave a comment on any website, as well as read comments left by others. Furthermore, your comments cannot be censored by the website administrator. I like the concept of the add-on, but calling moderation of your comment sectio…

Agreed, also while they can not be censored by the administrator of the website, they can still be censored (or moderated) by the Plugin Owner, right?

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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And I'm sure this won't be used by bad actors at all...

and I'm sure the extension doesn't just send the URL of every page you visit somewhere...

EDIT: Oh, it appears to be hashed... that's not as bad as I expected - but it's still extremely abusable. Nope... just nope - absolutely not without some sort of differential privacy or other concealment, thanks.

Re: Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL

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post #8
post #5

This sounds similar to the (in)famous Dissenter comment functionality. What are the differences?

In the 90's there was a Windows program that offered the same functionality, called uTOK: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~orit/utok.html . IIRC it acted as a HTTP proxy to see which URLs you were fetching. Ah, the good old days where neo-nazis weren't everywhere online...

If you see neo-nazis EVERYWHERE it might just be about you

EDIT: From downvotes (without any arguments) I can only guess that there are sizable amount of people who don't know what the word nazi means.

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